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    Malik wouldn't have been better than the 5th wing in the rotation before the signing of Bogans.
    if Fin was gone, it would be Malik fighting with Bogans for the 4th spot in the rotation.
    if Malik, who has exactly the same size (so they are both a bit undersized), but is a far better athlete can't beat Bogans over a whole season, it will tell the Spurs a lot about his upside. so Bogans is also kind of an insurance for a Malik development fail.
    if he can beat Bogans (I'm pretty sure), he is good enough to at least become a regular rotation wing for the Spurs future.
    the key for Malik will be his 3pt shooting. no doubt he did improve, if he can constantly hit 3s at a 35%+ rate, he will take the 4th wing spot during the season.
    My point was, they're essentially playing for the same defensive-backup role to Jefferson and that Bogans' game and experience is much more conducive to the Spurs' system and line of thinking.

    If the Spurs do make a salary-dump that frees up another roster spot, Malik's chances will improve. But I really get the feeling that Williams is in the Spurs' plans for the upcoming year; at least in terms of making the roster.

    So if that's the case, it's hard to imagine the Spurs would have a spot on the roster for Malik; Bogans, the vet who possesses the more similar skill set for a proven role in the Spurs' system, would seem to take his place.

    Bogans just doesn't have the feel, at least to me, as being one of those make-good players in terms of his contract. He's a guy that several of us figured was on the Spurs' radar because of past comments by Pop and just because of the type of player he is, overall. He's the type of known quan y that the Spurs like to have on the roster to fill a role and do what's expected of him night-in and night-out. Someone that won't get you beat and is the type of professional, in and out of the locker room, that's always ready to play when given the opportunity. Also, a guy that won't make any waves if he's seeing minimal playing time.

    The new Ime, if you will.

    I hope Malik can shoot the lights out with those floor-spacing 3-balls made available in the Spurs' offense and that he'll give the Spurs no choice but to secure him a place on the roster, or at a minimum, find a way to keep him in the program, but the Spurs haven't seemed as high on him as I, and others in the C.O.H., have been.

    I just don't think a guy like Bogans gets added if they believed Malik was ready to be depended upon, at least to fill the Ime role, for the upcoming year.

    For the record, I've never been real high on Bogans' ability and size defensively -- I'd much prefer Hairston -- but he's a pretty nice fit and player to add for the money. Basically a straight-up trade for Ime, who he should be an upgrade over.

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    "No, I'm afraid that I just blue myself".
    There's gotta be a better way to say that.

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    Bogans gets a guarantee
    By Jeff McDonald on Sep 22, 09 11:22 AM

    Just a quick update on the contract that journeyman guard Keith Bogans is set to sign with the Spurs.

    According to Mike Harrison, Bogans' agent, the one-year deal is indeed fully guaranteed at the veteran minimum of $1.03 million.

    http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblog...-gets-a-g.html

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    There's gotta be a better way to say that.
    "What were his last words?"... "He said some... wonderful things". Thank you Shasta, I'll be your wing-man any day.

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    It was pretty much a forgone conclusion that his contract was guaranteed. It's not like he is a D-League player that is trying to prove himself.

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    It was pretty much a forgone conclusion that his contract was guaranteed. It's not like he is a D-League player that is trying to prove himself.
    No, but he was a bench player on the Bucks. I think one knows what they're getting from him. Still, being a lower man on the totem pole at Milwaukee and coming to legit condender in the West might have cast some doubts on a guaranteed contract. Coulda' been like the Salim Stoudamire deal.

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    training camp is going to be interesting..

    I personally believe that Hairston will be a better player than Bogans this season and beyond, but as I said before, Malik is inexperienced and won't get many calls from the refs..Bogans is an experienced vet and will get some respect, so it's obvious who Pop would choose IMO..

    They're pretty much the same size, they have the same shooting ability right now..the difference in ability is that Hairston's athleticism is levels better, so there's no reason he shouldn't outplay him..

    I've been one of Hairston's biggest fans here, so I hope he can find a spot on the roster, but it doesn't seem likely right now, since it would probably depend on a Finley and/or Bonner trade now..

    Hairston's gonna have to have a big training camp..

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    Not a fan of Arrested Development or of George Hill getting time at his natural position?
    Explain yourself...
    I knew what you were talking about...haha Arrested Development was a great show.

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    No, but he was a bench player on the Bucks. I think one knows what they're getting from him. Still, being a lower man on the totem pole at Milwaukee and coming to legit condender in the West might have cast some doubts on a guaranteed contract. Coulda' been like the Salim Stoudamire deal.
    You are getting an experienced NBA player. He has played rotation minutes on NBA teams for 7 years...including rotation minutes in the playoffs. Season before last he started 35 games for Orlando. Salim Stoudamire? He didn't even play last year.

    There was never a question about it. He could have just as easily gotten guaranteed money somewhere else.

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    So is the league picking up the tab on part of the contract?..That would make this a lot more interesting..

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    So is the league picking up the tab on part of the contract?..That would make this a lot more interesting..
    Yes. The Spurs are only on the hook for $825k. The league picks up the rest.

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    Maybe this means George will be playing most of his minutes at the 1?

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    If we're only on the hook for that much, then it isn't as big of a deal as it looks..he'll still have to outplay everybody else..

    Training camp is going to be very interesting, and it'll probably decide the fate of Finley, Bonner, Bogans, Hairston, Williams, and Ian..

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    … The Spurs kinda-sorta found a replacement for Bruce Bowen, reaching an agreement with Keith Bogans on a one-year deal. Bogans is a strong defender who was often given the assignment of guarding guys like Kobe, D-Wade and Brandon Roy when he was with Orlando. At 6-5, he’s not ideal to guard a powerhouse like LeBron or ‘Melo, but he makes San Antonio’s defense a little tougher and can score better than Bowen …
    http://dimemag.com/2009/09/more-deta...eir-new-bowen/

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    If we're only on the hook for that much, then it isn't as big of a deal as it looks..he'll still have to outplay everybody else..

    Training camp is going to be very interesting, and it'll probably decide the fate of Finley, Bonner, Bogans, Hairston, Williams, and Ian..
    I hope it does decide the fate of Finley and Bonner.

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    Bogans gets a guarantee
    By Jeff McDonald on Sep 22, 09 11:22 AM | Permalink | Comments (0) Save & Share Yahoo! BuzzYahoo! Newsvine del.icio.us Facebook Google Reddit Fark
    Just a quick update on the contract that journeyman guard Keith Bogans is set to sign with the Spurs.

    According to Mike Harrison, Bogans' agent, the one-year deal is indeed fully guaranteed at the veteran minimum of $1.03 million.

    Harrison says Bogans was talking with other teams throughout the process, including the Denver Nuggets, but held out in order to land with a championship contender.

    "This is absolutely the No. 1 place he wanted to end up," Harrison said Tuesday morning. "Early in free agency, he had a chance to sign with some other teams. What he really wanted was to get with a really good, playoff-type team. We rolled the dice and waited, and it worked out."

    Bogans is expected to sign the contract later this week. After doing so, he will become the 14th player to enter next week's training camp with a guaranteed contract.

    http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblog...-gets-a-g.html

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    "What were his last words?"... "He said some... wonderful things". Thank you Shasta, I'll be your wing-man any day.
    Some people weren't optimistic that Keith Bogans could be brought over this offseason, but the Spurs FO didn't take "wasn't optimistic it could be done" for an answer!

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    I like the signing too. Fairly low-risk addition and gives Pop a defensive stalwart needed for certain situations. Even though, he's nowhere near the defensive skill of a Bowen and he's a bit undersized, should be a good weapon for the arsenal. I wonder if Bogans has the sort of skill and tenacity to occasionally guard the "skinny" SF-types, as did Udoka?

    As others have stated, I also hope this pushes Finley further down the rotation - to sort of a "hired-gun" role, with very limited minutes and several DNP-CDs mixed in, based upon opponent. If, by midseason, Finley becomes trade fodder. that's even better.

    I concur with what HarlemHeat proclaimed earlier. I'm a big fan of Hairston's too. Dude plays a man's game. I trust that he'll perform to a level that will finally earn him a spot on the roster. Williams versatility could make him a comer. Jury is out on both for now. Now that we know Bogan's contract is fully guaranteed, the youngsters will have to fight it out. Should be a good battle for those final couple of spots.

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    Our SF rotation looks pretty good right about now...we got RJ starting, and off the bench we can go with a shooter/scorer in Fin or we can go with a defensive minded guy like Bogans, and if Hairston is active, we can go with him as well.

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    Good move by the Spurs; opens us a vista for one more trade.

    My best case scenario ( don't know if it is going to happen or not ) -

    Trade Matt Bonner and Michael Finley for Shane Battier. Battier can play as a tweener guarding short forwards,shooting guards and play help defense effectively against PFs such as Nowitzki. Besides, he is one guy with a high Basketball IQ - (the No Stats All Star cue Michael Lewis/ NYT). His contract is worth $6.9m and $7.3m till 2011.. nice tradeable commodity next year if things don't work out and is neither cheap nor atrociously expensive.

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...tradeId=nnguh4 says it can happen...

    Houston's offensive woes say it can happen (with Finley/Bonner's added scoring punch).. Trevor Ariza's arrival also makes it possible.. With Bonner & Finley's expiring + T-Mac's $20m expiring, Houston will be even more well positioned for 2010's FApalooza to add to a recovered Yao & company.

    What say,you?
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    That's interesting, considering he can't play it. And thanks for the insider information, bag, I didn't know you were inside of the Spurs organization to know how they plan to utilize him. D-League players for the minimum would be better. Bogans has no potential left whatsoever, and what he is, is a scrub.
    A Scrub that made it into the NBA.

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    A Scrub that made it into the NBA.

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    Time to jettison Finley and Bonner, and this will be about as good an off-season as you can get without landing a ping pong ball that gets you a Duncan or DRob type...

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    Good move by the Spurs; opens us a vista for one more trade.

    My best case scenario ( don't know if it is going to happen or not ) -

    Trade Matt Bonner and Michael Finley for Shane Battier. Battier can play as a tweener guarding short forwards,shooting guards and play help defense effectively against PFs such as Nowitzki. Besides, he is one guy with a high Basketball IQ - (the No Stats All Star cue Michael Lewis/ NYT). His contract is worth $6.9m and $7.3m till 2011.. nice tradeable commodity next year if things don't work out and is neither cheap nor atrociously expensive.

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...tradeId=nnguh4 says it can happen...

    Houston's offensive woes say it can happen (with Finley/Bonner's added scoring punch).. Trevor Ariza's arrival also makes it possible.. With Bonner & Finley's expiring + T-Mac's $20m expiring, Houston will be even more well positioned for 2010's FApalooza to add to a recovered Yao & company.

    What say,you?
    You have no idea how many pairs of pants I would go through in the first hour after this trade.........

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    Gay.

    I'd rather the spurs sign someone 6'7ish if we were looking for a player to ride the bench.

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