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    I think it's an adolcent arrogance, I think the Marketing campaigns idolize youth because they are the most gullible group,and they have lost what in traditional cultures ours and others, would have been brake stops.
    They believe their own hype and haven't learned yet their limitations,like all children, and that's why Obama targeted them.
    micca, you can thank bush for the young vote.

    we do.

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    micca, you can thank bush for the young vote.

    we do.
    Clambake.........a case in point.Please continue clambake.

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    I think it's an adolcent arrogance, I think the Marketing campaigns idolize youth because they are the most gullible group,and they have lost what in traditional cultures ours and others, would have been brake stops.
    They believe their own hype and haven't learned yet their limitations,like all children, and that's why Obama targeted them.

    not sure the gist of this point. they are not familiar with their boundaries and yet they are the most gullible? wouldn't one more set in their ways be a more gullible target? that is, a die hard republican or democrat believing in the party line because that is the way. isn't this what limitations do to judgement ?

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    and inevitably most youth transition into becoming greedy bas s down the road.
    Profound.

    IMO...In genreal...

    Our youth (1 -16) are taught to be open...respectful (though not as much these days)...obey laws...follow the lead of an adult/teacher.

    From about 15 - 24 (higher education years)...they seem to take on individual goals with the same enthusiasm of their youth.

    Around 21 - 45...get caught up in personal needs and start loosing ability to embrace anything foreign that will harm what they have built upon from the last age range.

    40 - retirement...Have learned through either experience or personal gain that anything different than what got them to this point is bull .

    After retirement...either depend on government assistance just to survive or have ac ulated enough wealth to do what they want.

    The youth will follow anything that leads them to believe we're all in this together until realizing it's really all about the self in order to achieve one's goal or philosophy.

    Self preservation always ends up taking over any political ideal. Unless you become chained to the government and forced to live by obsolescent control.

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    Clambake.........a case in point.Please continue clambake.
    i'll explain it to you, micca.

    you can thank bush for the election results.

    you don't have to look any further.

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    Profound.

    IMO...In genreal...

    Our youth (1 -16) are taught to be open...respectful (though not as much these days)...obey laws...follow the lead of an adult/teacher.

    From about 15 - 24 (higher education years)...they seem to take on individual goals with the same enthusiasm of their youth.

    Around 21 - 45...get caught up in personal needs and start loosing ability to embrace anything foreign that will harm what they have built upon from the last age range.

    40 - retirement...Have learned through either experience or personal gain that anything different than what got them to this point is bull .

    After retirement...either depend on government assistance just to survive or have ac ulated enough wealth to do what they want.

    The youth will follow anything that leads them to believe we're all in this together until realizing it's really all about the self in order to achieve one's goal or philosophy.

    Self preservation always ends up taking over any political ideal. Unless you become chained to the government and forced to live by obsolescent control.
    that is a damn good summation, and unfortunately, pretty damn accurate as well. i would add that is not just the government one can become subservient to. you can add the corporate infrastructure to that premise as well.

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    Nowdays idealisim can be consumed in less time than a sound bite and has a corprate logo. "hope and change" "buy my green doo hickey and save the planet"
    I think there's an app for that..........

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    i'll explain it to you, micca.

    you can thank bush for the election results.

    you don't have to look any further.
    Yep. The youth (as gullible as they can be) and tired of the same old story of a president enthralled in war...were more than happy to choose a person based on youthful promise rather than absolute ability.

    Most youth don't have an attention span longer than what gets them to the next level of a video game. And most sure don't have life's experience to help shape their decisions. So Obama presented the perfect solution in their minds...he made it sound that it would be easy.

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    Yep. The youth (as gullible as they can be) and tired of the same old story of a president enthralled in war...were more than happy to choose a person based on youthful promise rather than absolute ability.

    Most youth don't have an attention span longer than what gets them to the next level of a video game. And most sure don't have life's experience to help shape their decisions. So Obama presented the perfect solution in their minds...he made it sound that it would be easy.
    why do you guys give him so much credit?

    he really didn't have to do anything.

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    not sure the gist of this point. they are not familiar with their boundaries and yet they are the most gullible? wouldn't one more set in their ways be a more gullible target? that is, a die hard republican or democrat believing in the party line because that is the way. isn't this what limitations do to judgement ?
    Nope, once you've been around long enough to have bought enough shiny trinkets from both stores and found out they're just junk, you stop buying shiny junk trinkets, and look for that's got quality.

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    why do you guys give him so much credit?

    he really didn't have to do anything.
    because he can walk on water.

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    silly micca. can't admit to his party's failures.

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    why do you guys give him so much credit?

    he really didn't have to do anything.
    Honestly...he hasn't done anything credible yet. And I think that's why the youth movement may be deminishing. Youth wants things to happen now.

    Government as in life takes time.

    IMO...Obama has some great talking points and ideals. Maybe actual experience will teach him that narscistic and control means of achieving those goals are not the way to succeed.

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    Nope, once you've been around long enough to have bought enough shiny trinkets from both stores and found out they're just junk, you stop buying shiny junk trinkets, and look for that's got quality.
    if that were the case why is it that the older people still vote much more often than the younger ones do? older people had about a 20 % percent better voting rate than younger ones in this last election ( and the biggest reason that younger voters rate went up was because younger blacks and hispanics voted in much larger numbers this past election).

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    Yep. The youth (as gullible as they can be) and tired of the same old story of a president enthralled in war...were more than happy to choose a person based on youthful promise rather than absolute ability.

    Most youth don't have an attention span longer than what gets them to the next level of a video game. And most sure don't have life's experience to help shape their decisions. So Obama presented the perfect solution in their minds...he made it sound that it would be easy.
    the question is: why would experienced voters also make the same choices ?

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    silly micca. can't admit to his party's failures.
    Sorry to disappoint...but I'm not a republican,You might want to wrap your head around the idea there's people from all spectrums that don't like your jug eared thug.

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    Sorry to disappoint...but I'm not a republican,You might want to wrap your head around the idea there's people from all spectrums that don't like your jug eared thug.
    i have no expectations for you, micca, so don't be sorry.

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    micca is the lone ranger, party of one, that has risen from the ashes 8 years later.

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    can't admit to his party's failures.
    "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

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    "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
    "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice.....two times.....uh.....uh...well, huh huh don't fool me again"

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    the question is: why would experienced voters also make the same choices ?
    I think because some people don't ever grow up.I knew a woman who told me once "people that don't ever have children in a way never really grow up"
    Once I had a child I knew what she meant.
    Other people have the wealth and or the influence to cushion them from the harsher realities of life, and for them it'" no worries mate"
    And some just don't have the emotional maturity to extend themselves past caring for anything other than their appe ies.
    Also Obama was voted the single most liberal Senator in the Senate. Yet his campagin was run on the lie he was a centerist.alot of the people didn't take the time or trouble to educate themselves, and now we see alot of people really regreting their vote.

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    you missed it again, micca.

    voters knew what they didn't want.

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    Clambake here is an example of the youth vote ....sure she can yell loud,not afraid to make an ass out of herself.........a...real....ass, good at short slogans like beer slogans....attempts at being tragically hip.......doesn't bother her head with the boring drivel of old dead whitemen......and thinks she matters.

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    I think because some people don't ever grow up.I knew a woman who told me once "people that don't ever have children in a way never really grow up"
    Once I had a child I knew what she meant.
    Other people have the wealth and or the influence to cushion them from the harsher realities of life, and for them it'" no worries mate"
    And some just don't have the emotional maturity to extend themselves past caring for anything other than their appe ies.
    Also Obama was voted the single most liberal Senator in the Senate. Yet his campagin was run on the lie he was a centerist.alot of the people didn't take the time or trouble to educate themselves, and now we see alot of people really regreting their vote.
    so then, youth really are not all the more gullible than older people are ?

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    Clambake here is an example of the youth vote ....sure she can yell loud,not afraid to make an ass out of herself.........a...real....ass, good at short slogans like beer slogans....attempts at being tragically hip.......doesn't bother her head with the boring drivel of old dead whitemen......and thinks she matters.
    ..and she did matter...micca.

    how did you manage to escape the peoples concerns for the last 8 years?

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