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Wouldn't that be PBF instead of PPF?
lakaluva...you need to post more...good stuff even if we don't agree with everything...
Wouldn't that be PBF instead of PPF?
Yah, keep him here instead of the NBA forum. I pwn him over there!
RJ is a good example because he was an amazing athlete in his prime but say someone like Lennox Lewis who as good as he was, was a plodder without much quickness, i don't love his chances in MMA..
Just because you can box and are an amazing athlete doesn't mean ANYTHING for MMA.
Just like BJ Penn doesn't have good chances at boxing.
Its like saying a stud point guard can become a good cornerback in the nfl.
I simply don't agree the argument is a valid one.
Well the 2 best pd for pd fighters in the world GSP and Silva are also 2 of the best athletes to ever compete in MMA.. Brock is a crazy athlete. It means a lot in terms of picking things up fast..
I guess my argument becomes stronger the older the athlete gets. If they start in their mid 20's then my argument isn't as strong.
Baroni was an All-American wrestler in college. Just sayin.
Actually UFC is paying these guys more than people know, although it is starting to come out. Randy was embarassed by the UFC when he lied about his salary during his walk-out. They released the figures that showed he made close to 2 mil on each of his last 2 fights and was making almost 200 grand as a commentator. He was saying he just made his base and a small PPV cut, he lied.. The money the big guys make in bonuses, is pretty big. Fedor was rumored to have been offered a 6 fight deal worth roughly 30 mil just a few months ago by the UFC.. And i think more and more boxing guys when they are young, are just going to head the MMA route, rather then become pro-boxers. The sport keeps getting bigger. Boxing has the same problems today it had 10 years ago. They don't have cohesive marketing, too many fighters/promoters out for themselves..
Being great at bjj and best at boxing dos not equal the best mma fighter.
And thinking that a boxer can easily learn all the ground game and other mma techiques is thinking wrong. and now especialy talking about boxer over 30.
lol...don't worry about that so much...
Brock has actually been training in mma for 4 years in 2010. So your wrong again. Note, he trained full time for a year in a half with out ever fighting his first fight.
Possible for what? Mayorga could be a successful MMA fighter if he spent 2 years solely on training and fought his first 3 or 4 fights in a small org before coming to the UFC. I'm just saying Brock didnt do it over night.
I'm getting the sense that you think that MMA is somehow an easy sport to master here.. IS that what you think? IF your a fan like you seem to be i hope you don't think that. Just because someone has great hands does not mean they will ever develop great JJ, wrestling, and other forms of striking. It's impossible to pro-rate a great boxer into MMA and say, he'll be great in a few years time, we can't know that..
True, just because you train something for 2 years doesnt mean you will ever be good at it. I could train in bowling everyday for 2 years and i couldnt be a pro. (maybe a bad example)
stand up is a diferent animal to ground in mma
By wrestling you can survive more, you have great balance and power. And not necessery you need to be a great striker to develop th skill of demolishing other guy when you have wrestling adventage and go down with the opponent being on top of him.
as a boxer for all the career he was not aware of opponents that can take him down. So all what he has learned is not worthy as far as defense goes. Stick and move does not work in mma when a wrestler wants to take you down all the time.
Also boxer is not using legs and that changing the techinique of striking again.
So basicly right now in mma (as it envolved) he would have to change a lot and leave his old habits, which is not easy at all.
Wtf?
10-2 record in boxing it's just scratching the sport, and the guy is not top level fighter
The situation we were talking was different.
For all the fighters like Koscheck, Hughes, Brock, etc that had great wrestling backgrounds and turned it into big MMA careers, there's obviously countless others that had big wrestling/grappling backgrounds and were never able to fill out the rest of their game's to have successul careers. Look at a guy like Dean Lister, amazing JJ career, look at this resume
"two-time U.S. National Sambo champion, a four-time U.S. Machado National Brazilian Jiu Jitsu Champion (weight class and open classes), and a National Gracie Jiu Jitsu champion,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_Lister
Yet he has had a mediocre MMA career at best, just 11-6 record, not one big win on his resume.. It's so hard to put it all together and i don't believe boxers training part time will ever be able to do it..
If your still a pro-boxer and are fighting as a pro-boxer but trying to transition your game into MMA that takes so much time and effort that your boxing skills will begin to erode. More MMA training less boxing. Thus your boxing career will suffer. So a choice would have to be made for a boxer looking to go MMA. Hang up the gloves and work on everything MMA wise needed to have a full game or stick with just boxing. Trying to do both is a load to handle and expect huge success.. It would be like Roger Federer trying to get his golf swing right enough to join his buddy Tiger on the PGA tour yet still being active on the ATP Tennis tour.. Something's gonna suffer..
Well mostly it starts with one combat sport then in can envolve into mma if you want to.
The case disscussed was diferent. We were talking about a long time boxer who is trying to be mma fighter and saying it's easy.
As I said before- it's not just adding new techniques but changing everything you've been doing for many years and you muscles got used to it.
It's not just - ok - I will add some leg kicks to my game. But all in all he never was kicking his opponent and it changes his all stand up (his standing and distance, balance), also you need to be aware of other aspects you never been aware of. He's going into diferent envoirment he never was in.
It's hard to change your habits esp. when you dealing with so many aspect of mma.
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