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No need...I'm thinking what a dumb ass of a president we have.
guess what yoni's thinking about...
No need...I'm thinking what a dumb ass of a president we have.
Obama's to do list:
1. Appease
2. Appease
3. Apologize
4. Blame Bush
5. Talk about how great things are now that I'm in charge
6. Appease some more and then give another apology for bad, bad America
i heard hannity on the radio, too.
i thought the funny part was newt talking about the importance of god. that was funny as coming from him. don't you agree, stanks?
G-8 ultimatum: 3 months to stop enrichment.
Is he going to care once he can sell a bomb to the highest bidder?
That's not what Iran wants the bomb for.
Huh? Why? If anything, doesn't this mean that the optimistic assumptions about the developmental stage of Iran's military program used to justify the cancellation of the MDS may be wrong?
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So far the Obamas are handling this right. Let England and France talk the smack this time. Israel will be the ones who them up when needed.
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn put his finger on the problem when he said: "The timid civilized world has found nothing with which to oppose the onslaught of a sudden revival of barefaced barbarity, other than concessions and smiles."
that was boring the first time, micca.
I gotta say watching benjiman netenyahu give the U.N. human rights council a slapping yesterday was beautiful. It really made me ashamed that our nation has not been able to produce a similar leader. I think his speech will be remembered as a benchmark of the era. If you get a chance catch it on youtube.
I got to tell you "micca" is way past boring.
I don't like Nethaniau, but that was truly an amazing speech. Whoever wrote that should be working for a finer politician. I echo your recommendation and I think people of all political leanings can appreciate it.
I've been watching this Iranian deal for a very long time. I have to say, this new enrichment plant is the real deal. These guys are asking to be eliminated. It's only a matter of time. No wonder Israel was planning a preemptive strike.
34°56'37.88"N Lat. 50°45'33.66"E Lon.
There will be a crater there soon.
I'm glad Bush got really tough with Iran.
He was so effective in deterring their newcular program.
No - there won't be. Destroying a plant the US has known about for over a year does nothing to prevent these plants from popping up in other places in the country (if they aren't there already - read comments from Gates today). Its completely short sighted thinking. Not to mention that as much unrest as there is inside that country right now against the sitting government, any US or Israel attack would be about the most counterproductive action possible because it would instantly united the people to support the government they currently hate.
I'm not surprised that many of you refuse to give Obama credit here but so far he's playing the foreign policy game very well. Its no surprise that the Russians came out against this publicly today and there is no way the US didn't have this planned for some time now. They've known about the plant for a good deal of time and I have no doubts this was brought up recently in the decision over the ABM shield.
Continue with the hate if you guys want, but unbiased observers are giving credit where credit is due. This administration managed to catch Iran with its pants down and gain the support of countries it needs to solve this problem.
Don't be stingy, clambake: it's boring all the time.
More wishful thinking.
Here's what we do.
U.S. and France go to Iran and say "look guys, we are done not respecting you. We now see the light. We want you to join us as a world superpower."
"As a token of our gra ude, we give you the gift of the great Hadron Collider."
Move it from France to under Iran. Put a bug in the system that produces a black hole when turned on. Wait for it to suck in the entire Middle East, then send in Blackwater to shut it off.
Mission Accomplished.
Yeah well solzhenityen doesn't have the pecs that Obama does, so I guess you'd loose inetrest.Obama is articulte? you're such a putz.
I'm not sure how anyone can spin this as anything less than great planning and maneuvering by the Obama administration.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33029659...w_york_times//
PITTSBURGH - On Tuesday evening in New York, top officials of the world nuclear watchdog agency approached two of President Obama’s senior advisers to deliver the news: Iran had just sent a cryptic letter describing a small “pilot” nuclear facility that the country had never before declared.
The Americans were surprised by the letter, but they were angry about what it did not say. American intelligence had come across the hidden tunnel complex years earlier, and the advisers believed the situation was far more ominous than the Iranians were letting on.
That night, huddled in a hotel room in the Waldorf-Astoria until well into the early hours, five of Mr. Obama’s closest national security advisers, in New York for the administration’s first United Nations General Assembly, went back and forth on what they would advise their boss when they took him the news in the morning. A few hours later, in a different hotel room, they met with Mr. Obama and his senior national security adviser, Gen. James L. Jones, to talk strategy.
The White House essentially decided to outflank the Iranians, to present to their allies and the public what they believed was powerful evidence that there was more to the Iranian site than just some pilot program. They saw it as a chance to use this evidence to persuade other countries to support the case for stronger sanctions by showing that the Iranians were still working on a secret nuclear plan.
3 dramatic days of diplomacy
It was three dramatic days of highly sensitive diplomacy and political maneuvering, from an ornate room at the Waldorf, where Mr. Obama pressed President Dimitri A. Medvedev of Russia for support, to the United Nations Security Council chamber, where General Jones at one point hustled his Russian counterpart from the room in the middle of a rare meeting of Council leaders.
General Jones told his counterpart, Sergei Prikhodko, that the United States was going to go public with the intelligence. Meanwhile, in the hallways of the United Nations and over the phone, American and European officials debated when, and how, to present their case against Iran to the world.
European officials urged speed, saying that Mr. Obama should accuse Iran of developing the secret facility first thing Thursday morning, when he presided over the Security Council for the very first time. It would have been a stirring and confrontational moment. But White House officials countered that it was too soon; they would not have time to brief allies and the nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency, and Mr. Obama did not want to dilute the nuclear nonproliferation resolution he was pushing through the Security Council by diverting to Iran.
In the end, Mr. Obama stood on the floor of the Pittsburgh Convention Center on Friday morning, flanked by President Nicolas Sarkozy of France and Prime Minister Gordon Brown of Britain, and called the Iranian facility “a direct challenge to the basic foundation of the nonproliferation regime.”
Added Mr. Brown, “The international community has no choice today but to draw a line in the sand.”
This account of the days leading up to the announcement on Friday is based on interviews with administration officials and American allies, all of whom want the story known to help support their case against Iran.
U.S. gains ‘leverage’
The Iranians have continued to assert that their nuclear program has peaceful intentions. And while American officials say the secretive nature of the program lends support to the view that it is truly an expanding weapons program, even United States intelligence officials acknowledge that there is no evidence that Iran has taken the final steps toward creating a bomb.
There was “a fair amount at anger” within the administration over Iran’s disclosure, a senior administration official said. But there was also some satisfaction. A second senior official said: “Everybody’s been asking, ‘Where’s our leverage?’ Well, now we just got that leverage.”
Administration officials said that Mr. Obama had two goals in going public: to directly confront Iran with the evidence, and to persuade wavering nations to take a hard line on Iran.
In fact, the makings of the administration’s strategy was hatched months before, when the White House first came to believe that the complex, built into a mountain on property near Qum controlled by Iran’s powerful Revolutionary Guards, might be a part of the nuclear program. Over time, the file that intelligence officials ac ulated on the facility developed as a cudgel, a way to win over wary allies and test if the Iranians were being truthful in their disclosures.
Senior intelligence officials said Friday that several years ago American intelligence agencies under the administration of George W. Bush discovered the su ious site. The site was one of Iran’s most closely guarded secrets, the officials said, known only by senior members of Iran’s nuclear establishment. The officials said that housing the complex on the base gave it an extra layer of security.
Spying on the covert site
Mr. Obama was first told about the existence of the covert site during his transition period in late 2008, White House officials said, after he had been elected but before he was inaugurated. But it was not until earlier this year that American spy agencies detected the movement of sensitive equipment into the facility — a sign, they believed, that whatever work was involved was nearing its final stages.
American officials said Friday that the facility could have been fully operational by next year, with up to 3,000 centrifuges capable of producing one weapon’s worth of highly enriched nuclear material per year.
“Over the course of early this year, the intelligence community and our liaison partners became increasingly confident that the site was indeed a uranium enrichment facility,” a senior administration official said. He said that Mr. Obama received regular intelligence updates on the progress of the site.
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The officials said that they developed a detailed picture about work on the facility from multiple human intelligence sources, as well as satellite imagery. A senior official said that intelligence was regularly shared among American, British and French spy agencies, and that Israeli officials were told about the complex years ago. They were not more specific about when they first learned about it.
At some point in late spring, American officials became aware that Iranian operatives had learned that the site was being monitored, the officials said.
As the administration reviewed its Iran policy in April, Mr. Obama told aides at one point that if the United States entered into talks with Iran, he wanted to make sure “all the facts were on the table early, including information on this site — so that negotiations would be meaningful and transparent,” a senior administration official said.
As the summer progressed, British, French and American officials grew more worried about what Iran might do now that it was aware that security at the complex had been breached.
In late July, after the mass protests over Iran’s disputed election had died down, Mr. Obama told his national security team to have American intelligence officials work with their British and French counterparts to secretly put together a detailed presentation on the complex.
“That brief would be deployed in the case of a number of contingencies,” the administration official said. “If Iran refused to negotiate, in the case of a leak of the information, and even an Iranian disclosure.” Mr. Obama asked his aides to have the presentation ready by the General Assembly meeting.
“We could not have negotiations of any meaning if we were only going to talk about overt sites and not covert sites,” a senior administration official said.
Game plan changes
As late as last weekend, American officials were still uncertain about when to publicly present the intelligence about the secret enrichment facility. The game plan changed Tuesday, when officials from the nuclear watchdog agency informed the Americans that Iran had sent the letter describing the “pilot” facility.
At his meeting at the Waldorf the next morning, Mr. Obama decided that he would personally tell Mr. Medvedev, the Russian president, when they met Wednesday afternoon for a previously scheduled meeting. Mr. Obama also spoke with Mr. Sarkozy and Mr. Brown. Meanwhile, Jeff Bader, a senior White House adviser for China, informed his Chinese counterparts.
On Thursday, while Mr. Obama was leading the Security Council meeting, General Jones left his seat behind Mr. Obama, walked over to Mr. Prikhodko, the Russian national security adviser, and whispered in his ear. Mr. Prikhodko got up and followed General Jones out of the room. Minutes later, General Jones sent an aide back to get his Chinese counterpart as well.
Administration officials said they were gratified with Russia’s reaction — Mr. Medvedev signaled he would be amenable to tougher sanctions on Iran. The Chinese, one administration official said, were more skeptical, and said they wanted to look at the intelligence, and to see what international inspectors said when they investigated.
The lessons of the Iraq war still lingered.
“They don’t want to buy a pig in a poke,” the senior administration official said.
OK, we can watch this spot:
Just wish these were updated daily!
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