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He did a very commendable job against him in the 2006 playoffs when he was with the Kings. I'm not crazy about an Artest/Ginobili matchup, but then again, a lot has happened to both since 2006
I don't remember having seen this topic come up, excuse me if it is has.
How has Ron Artest played against Manu Ginobili, though, in the past?
I can't specifically think of a time when he just took (Manu) out of the game, leaving him completely useless.
I suppose the same question could go for how he's played against Richard Jefferson, too.
Thanks.
He did a very commendable job against him in the 2006 playoffs when he was with the Kings. I'm not crazy about an Artest/Ginobili matchup, but then again, a lot has happened to both since 2006
I agree with you. I think that it's a huge mismatch. Advantages at both sides of the court for each player
Artest can defend Manu very well
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manu is on the bench facebooking
The times that they have faced each other, Manu has struggled. Manu is extremely smart however and if someone is really bodying him or countering him he will find something to create. In the kings playoff round Manu's best game came when Artest got egected for hitting him with an elbow. The rest of the series he struggled and eventually both he and Tony came out limping out of that series. Artest and Miller had a lot to do with the hard play in that series.
It'll pretty much come down to officiating..Artest is a pretty useless defender on the perimeter if he isn't allowed making significant contact, so it'll pretty much come down to that..I don't know which way it'll go..David Stern doesn't like him, so he might not get away with it, but he's a Laker now, so he has that going for him in regards to officiating..
it should be interesting..
Oh lala, someone is joining him!
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Unfortunately there's no reason to expect manu to light artest up. But as long as manu and RJ are keeping kobe and artest off of tony parker and stretching the D we should be fine.
Artest will probably be guarding Jefferson anyway.
i don't know what you like more:
a) beating a dead horse
b) beating off to tony parker
-_-
Your act is tiring... grow up.
Artest DESTROYED Manu in the 06 playoffs. Manu could not get good shots off and could not drive on him at all. Artest is the only player I have ever seen do that to Manu consistently.
In the 5 games they played (Artest was suspended game 2):
PTS: 11.6
FG: 22/47 (46.8%)
3FG: 2/12 (16.7%)
REB: 5.0
AST: 3.8
TOV: 3.2
In the game Artest didn't play, Manu went off:
32 points, 10/20 FG, 3-8 3FG, 2 REB, 9AST, 0 TOV
also he had a terrible game 4. Artest threw his stuff back and Manu was like 1-4fg with 3pts for the game from what I remember. I just remember him sitting on the bench and Tnt's Coach Collins said "what has happened to this guy" referring to Manu. If Kobe Bryant guards Manu the Im cool with that cause Manu if healthy can give Kobe the same amount of problems Kobe gives the spurs.
Kobe is allowed, that's true, but Manu hasn't really had any problems torching Kobe in the past, so I don't think that will be a problem..let's just hope Manu will be healthy when it matters, that's the first step here..
talking stuff too soon
you gotta wait til manu has 18 points one time this season in november then you can say haha manus back and i told you so, best euro ever and hes got so much heart, all that bull , just wait a month or two
with ron
if you get into his head, he tends to play complacent....
will be guarding jefferson. he said artest gave him trouble and if they dont allow physicality thats good for kobe cause he should get calls.
It depends on how much the refs allow Artest to body up on Manu on the perimeter.
First- there's a chance that as of today Kobe is just as good a defender as Artest. We haven't really seen his stuff against us cause he was usually guarding Bowen but he's an excellent all around defender and as you guys have pointed out he's ridiculous when allowed to play like Bowen/Artest.
Whether it's Bryant or Artest on Manu the game won't be easy.
Second-not competely related to this thread but on the topic of Lakers/Spurs matchups.....both teams have new 3s in the lineup....and still questions about rotations but it's a gimme that all players in question will be on the court at same time at some point in the game(4th quarter anyone?)
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anyway, is it considered fact that for most of the Spurs/Lakers meetings of recent the Bruce Bowen strategy backfired? Bruce was able to put pressure on Kobe but the latter was able to put pressure on the entire Spurs offense by guarding the former, cheating off him, and providing excellent off-the-ball defense(sneaky steals on a posting Duncan, blocks, traps, etc). I think it nullified our defensive-stopper and rendered him an offensive-stopper for his own team.
Regardless of Artest's presence I still think we have a better shot at besting the Lakers. Yes there's a lot of question marks about Duncan's health AND he's gonna be facing Gasol, Bynum, AND Odom BUT he should have a better shot at starting the game off setting the tone of the game testing out the Lakers one-on-one and establish his presence. Most possible lineups for the Spurs have much more potential "firepower(skill set wider than a corner 3)" and should make the 1-3 Lakers play honestly.
Let's just wait and see?
Thats the most important part which is he wears the purple and piss now which gives him a get out of jail free card with Stern. I suspect he will be able to hold and grab at will without the whistle being blown.
Kobe doesn't guard Manu well when he actually has to defend him..I'm not gonna go back to prime Manu, since Manu obviously isn't there anymore, but even during last year's regular season game vs. the Lakers where Manu was healthy, he completely torched both Kobe and Ariza..Ariza is much quicker than Artest, so his defense will be missed against players like Manu and Tony..
Kobe and Artest are both heavily overrated defensively, especially Kobe..making them playing defense obviously helps either way though..
Artest has lost more than a step, and the bottom line is Kobe won't be able to rest on defense anymore. Will be fun to see.
artest has lost a step at age 29 yet Manu and Duncan havn't lost a step? funny stuff.
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