That. Wouldn't SA be trying to offload contracts to keep some youngsters this year, if they could?
I'd rather package Mason/ Finley/ Mahimni for a solid defender like Bell, but a better all around offensive player like Sjax or Nocioni. Bogans game is just like Bell's except Bell's game is a notch above Bogans if that makes any sense. They both do the same things well except Bell has a better shot selection and knows the parameters of his offensive game ( what he can and can't do).
Raja could fit in this scenario but I don't think its that much of an upgrade now that we got Bogans. (Since both are known for their tough defense and hit the spot up 3.)
I'm willing to bet especially with the signing of Bogans that the Spurs will go into Training camp with 2 things on their mind.
1) Is Mahimni showing progress and ready to produce? Or does Dwayne Jones make him irrelevant? They need to know by October 31st whether or not to pick up Mahimni's option of 1.78 million for the 2010/ 2011 season .
2) With the signing of Bogans I'm sure himself and Mason will have their battles during training camp. Due to the stacked SG/ SF position Spurs FO will find out if Bogans makes Mason really expendable. Given that Mason is do for less minutes and less shots because of the arrival of RJ and a healthy Manu, Spurs best bet to get great value back for Mason could be before the season starts. ( Just a thought)
If Spurs find out that they don't think Mahimni is worth the 1.78 million option and if they feel Bogans makes Mason expendable, then look for the Spurs to package Mason/Finley/ Mahimni type deal for an upgrade in our 3rd SG/SF spot ( Behind Manu and RJ) with someone very versatile on both ends of the floor that can easily play at least 25 MPG. This would make Keith Bogans our 4th wing and Malik Hairston/ George Hill/ Marcus Williams our 5th-7th wing options respectively.
If that happens Spurs could go with something like this going into the season:
Starters
PG- Tony Parker 34 MPG
SG- Manu Ginobili 28 MPG
SF- Richard Jefferson 33 MPG
PF- Antonio McDyess 26 MPG
C- Tim Duncan 32 MPG
Bench
SF/PF- Andres Nocioni 25 MPG * For example*
PF- DeJuan Blair 18 MPG
PG- George Hill 16 MPG
PF/ C- Matt Bonner 12 MPG
SG/SF- Keith Bogans 10 MPG
C- Theo Ratliff 8 MPG
Total 240 MPG (48 MPG at the PG position, 96 on the wings, 96 for the 4/5)
Total Minutes Allocated during the course of a game at all positions is 240 minutes.
12th man- 15th man( 13-14 spots inactive list)- SG/ SF-Malik Hairston SG/SF/PG-Marcus Williams PF-SF Marcus Haislip.
Then leave the 15th spot open.
Bell's game dropped BADLY last year. Father time caught up and he's showing. Not the defender he once was nor shooter.
I wouldn't want him even if we got him for free. I ing hate that piece of
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/raja_b...eer_stats.html
In what department exactly did his game drop BADLY?
From his 2005-2007 stint with the Suns, all their players numbers were at an all time high ( PPG wise) because of the offense being created by the MVP at the time.
His efficiency has been the same ( percentages). I haven't noticed a drop in his game.
I like him. Plus then we'd have two Crucians on our team and that would be badass.
Both his FG% and his 3G% were above career avgs last year. His PHO numbers were incredible (.421/.468) and his CHA numbers weren't too shabby (.440/.395).
I'm not a Bell advocate, but it might actually help you to argue against him if you had a valid point.
His defense has gotten worse, which is expected with age, but his offense was as good as ever last year IMO..
I would take him depending on the deal, and depending on what other players could be had instead of him..we would definitely have to give up some future picks or somebody like Ian for him, otherwise it won't work..I wouldn't give up on Ian just for a shot at Bell though..
That is your opinion. Fact is there is nothing out there to prove his defense has decline significantly like you suggests.
I've watched him play with the Bobcats and I didn't notice that much of a significant difference. Therefore its all speculation and opinionated. So we can agree to disagree on that.
What is a fact is that he has a great team defense BBIQ like Bowen to help us on defense. ( Something we don't have outside of RJ and Manu).
* Bogans is the best outside of RJ and Manu defensively, but with Mason and Finley here he won't see the floor. Therefore he's irrelevant.
If we didn't sign Bogans I could see taking a look at him...but now it's probably pointless.
My arguments are valid.
See post 63.
I guess if we can get Shane Battier this year then we don't need Raja.
One out of two. His shooting is as good as it's ever been. Invalid argument.
Then back it up with evidence.
because at this stage in their careers, boggans is a better defender?
two years ago, you might have a point. but apparently nobody here has noticed that bell's defense dropped off more than bowen's did last year. the feet just aren't as quick as they used to be.
his defense in PHX last year had clearly fallen off. the bobcats actually play decent team defense which would help to hide his deficiencies.
he might still be a competent team defender, but if you're looking for him to go out and hassle the opponent's best wing for 20-30 minutes, those days are past.
From 06 and 07 (his best years) what dropped off badly in 09?
They're not.
I don't see Pop starting Bell over Mason.reports are saying that bobcats are trying to trade raja bell. bonner, finley for him should work but larry brown could be interested in ian mihinmi. so the next idea would be ian mihinmi, finley & marcus williams; i don't like the second idea because ian mihinmi could be our best shot blocker and still has too much potential. Bonner, Finley & 2010 second round pick should get the deal done, the salaries match up and its good for both teams in terms of money and talent. if not stephen jackson, andres nocioni then why not raja bell.
lineup with raja bell
mcdyess
duncan
jefferson
r. bell
parker
hill
mason
ginobili
blair
mihinmi
haislip
bogans
inactive list
ratliff
hairston
williams
Late to the party. Stand by for the merge....
I would trade Bonner/Mason Jr./Finley to Bobcats for Bell/Diop. That way it clears up 2 things. You have your starting 2 Guard who can shoot/Defend and plays physical and smart ( stays within his abilities ). You have a 7 footer who can rebound and block shots at a decent rate off the bench for 15-20 minutes a game behind Duncan as a Center or With Duncan.
Diop? You okay, kid?
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