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Are you kidding? Maybe people forget how good Kidd was because he's old now. It's not like he was called Mr. Triple Double for no reason.
Then Kidd.
Are you kidding? Maybe people forget how good Kidd was because he's old now. It's not like he was called Mr. Triple Double for no reason.
+1
Kidd is far and away the best point guard over the last 10 years. It's not even close.
And yes, Tony should be higher than #6.
Paul doesn't deserve to be that high when he hasn't accomplished anything yet. He hasn't even played half the decade.
The writer was obviously just impressed with Arenas' ppg, and forgot about the factor of shooting percentage. Arenas shoots 42 percent or so. A far cry from guys like Tony/CP/Nash. Almost any guard in the league can chuck and get Arenas' points if you don't mind them shooting 40-43%.
Speaking about the author, who is it? Kelly Dwyer again?
Speaking about the author, who is it? Kelly Dwyer again?
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/bal...urn=nba,191685
This list is all kinds of bull .
Top 10 pg's should be the guys known for Passing the rock and making their teammates better. Parker/Arenas are known for scoring the rock not passing. Cassell i'm on the fence about. The rest are fine considering the effect they've had on their teammates. Arenas with his ability should shoot a higher percentage from the field. Parker doesn't make his teammates better and Has Tim Duncan with him. Cassell is kind of a combo guard that looks for his shot and is always hurt, although he is talented. Nash/CP3/D-Will/Jason Kidd/Billups all deserve to be there.
The style of play is irrelevant..these guys are clearly point guards..
Arenas shoots a relatively low FG%, but his 3-pointers and FT% make his efficiency look a lot better..FG% is too basic of a stat, TS% is better IMO..
Arenas is way too high on the list
Nash is a fun basketball player to watch but he has never been able to get his team to the finals. He has had solid teams both in the Suns and the Mavs and he always choked. I put Tony in front of him for this.
Billups and Kidd are the only two I would put up there. Kidd is the best and then Tony and Billups are about even. They are equal passers, tony has better offense and Chauncy has better defense. Gilbert should be at the back of the list.
1. Kidd
2. Nash
3. TP
4. Chauncey
5. CP3
6. Gilbert Arenas
7. Deron Williams
8. Mike Bibby
9. Baron Davis
10. Andre Miller
IMO
You are all kinds of dummy mixed with pure Parker haterade.
There is nothing wrong with any of the players I mentioned ( TP/Agent 0 / Cassell ) Its just that i dont think they belong on the list as top 10 of the Decade. Tp is the best scoring PG in the league, Agent 0 has unlimited range and Cassell had a balanced game all together offensively speaking. But there are a couple of reasons I wouldn't have them on the list. Tp by himself doesn't make his teammates better. He can get points and a decent amount of assist but if you stop him offensively it hurts the rest of his game, assist included. Arenas scores, but takes ill-advised shots ( ala TMac ) and passes when he feels like it. Sam Cassell is ok, but not top 10 material.
I like Davis / Miller but I still dont know if there top 10 material. The good point guards dont go 1 on 5. They utilize the other 4 guys on the team, essentially making them better by forcing them to create in an area they are comfortable in, instead of having them stand around. Thats why I like Cp3/D-Will/Jason Kidd
Arenas does not deserve to be that high up after missing 2-3 seasons of play, plus early decade, he was not really that good.
List is pretty good.
Kidd at #1 and Nash at #2 is not arguable.
#3 Billups is also spot on. I would put Parker at #4 if achievments are counted. Then Paul.
1. Kidd
2. Nash
3. Billups
4. Parker
5. Paul
6. Williams
7. Davis
8. Arenas
9. Cassel
10. Miller
i prefer nash at 1
come back to me when kidd actually wins games every time he posts a triple double...and if your going to use the argument kidds made it to the finals 2x, while nash didnt win while winning b2b mvps...thats because nash played in the almighty west not in some pathetic leastern conference.
and if you look at ac ulation stats till now, whether its win shares etc...nash has basically caught up to kidd...
hence i think parker should be 1, he exposed all those tools on the pg list
Who would take Nash over Kidd on his team? I sure wouldn't. Though maybe it would depend who the other players were. Maybe.
"come back to me when Kidd actually wins games"..he clearly won games when he made it to the Finals twice..playing in the East doesn't change that, wins are wins..
you also said that Nash should be at #1, and then ended your argument with Tony Parker at #1..
also, Nash has absolutely no chance at winning MVP awards against a prime Tim Duncan on an elite team, so I can't really hold that against Kidd..if you're gonna hold the weaker compe ion against Kidd, then you should hold the weaker compe ion against Nash when it comes to MVP voting..
Agree. Besides, he's not even a PG. He doesn't bring the ball up against pressure. He's a ball-hoggin', volume-shooting, 2-guard.
Paul would be higher if he piggy-backed Timmy D., too.
What about Gary Payton?
Year Team G RPG APG SPG BPG PPG
1999-00 Seattle 82 6.5 8.9 1.9 0.2 24.2
2000-01 Seattle 79 4.6 8.1 1.6 0.3 23.1
2001-02 Seattle 82 4.8 9.0 1.6 0.3 22.1
2002-03 Seattle 52 4.8 8.8 1.8 0.2 20.8
2002-03 Milwaukee 28 3.1 7.4 1.4 0.3 19.6
2002-03 - 80 4.2 8.3 1.7 0.2 20.4
2003-04 L.A. Lakers 82 4.2 5.5 1.2 0.2 14.6
2004-05 Boston 77 3.1 6.1 1.1 0.2 11.3
2004-05 - 77 3.1 6.1 1.1 0.2 11.3
2005-06 Miami 81 2.9 3.2 0.9 0.1 7.7
2006-07 Miami 68 1.9 3.0 0.6 0.0 5.3
If the list is about who is the best "pure point guard" (according to the widely used theoretical definition that includes some "makes his teammates better" kind of fuzzy bs) over the last decade I'd say Nash then Kidd then Billups then Paul then Parker (#5).
If the list is about achievements then it's a three-way tie between Parker, Billups and Nash, depending if you rate rings (hard bling) higher than MVP (soft bling because it's a vote). I'd rank them in the order above but it can be argued in any order.
If you're portnoy1 then Parker is the best Parker of his generation and belongs in no list (let's make it simple for the basketball challenged).
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