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...because if Giles or O'Keefe broke any laws, then it could be criminal conspiracy under RICO too..
They've already said they paid for it themselves. Maybe Breitbart ponied up for some of it, but so what if he did. Does it make it any less true what they found when they went undercover?
...because if Giles or O'Keefe broke any laws, then it could be criminal conspiracy under RICO too..
What does it change?
It doesn't change the fact that I think you read that information from a blog somewhere and tried to pass it off as something you had read up on.
ACORN can suck my nuts. I'm not the partisan you are.
Your not partisan. Yeah and Obama is a middle of the road Democrat and is changing the culture in Washington.
Please tell me you don't have kids. If you do... please tell me they're not home schooled.
Did that reply come from your independent way of thinking?
It was a serious concern I have. I'm not even kidding.
I'd like to hear your theory into why exactly I fit the bill as a partisan. I know the answer is you were just speaking out of your ass, but I'd like to hear some examples.
Your replies are personal attacks on any conservative idea or person. You are probably one of those people who pride themselves on being an independent but always vote for the same party.
LOL... You gotta stop taking that LSD.
Please...
Please...
Nobody has yet shown me what law they broke. Only citing the two party thing, but that is in a law for judicial evidence of law enforcement, and people who are providers of communications. Not the private Joe.
Please, can you cite me what law they broke?
My God man.
I looked up and quoted three parts of the Maryland law on the subject. It's under section 10: Evidence. This law pertains to collecting evidence by the police. Not an average Joe recording a conversation he has with someone.
Did you read anything I linked, or are you repeating someone's blog?
I think I'm the only person in this discussion that looked up and read the Maryland law pertaining to it.
Which court cases did you read?
I didn't keep track of them, and after that initial post, I looked up the Maryland law.
You really should keep up.
Please. Show me the words of the law, le, section, etc. that they did something illegal.
Yet you remember the rulings?
Good for you., and after that initial post, I looked up the Maryland law.
Like keeping up with what court cases I've read?You really should keep up.
No, you are just the only one who didn't actually read what you posted.
Go back and really read it. You'll see that it could indeed apply to this case. The legal issue others are now bringing up is whether the ACORN employees had a reasonable expectation of privacy for that particular conversation.
Here's why the Repugs, neocons, bankers, capitalists, hate media have been attacking ACORN for years:
"you have an organization that registered 1.3 million people to vote, 400,000 members, works with the poor and working class people of this nation, and they don’t have lobbying power in the form of massive campaign contributions."
http://rawstory.com/2009/09/scahill-...l-contractors/
iow, ACORN simply doesn't have the funds to buy protection from the well-moneyed thugs.
Some history:
"Dropped down the memory hole is the fact that ACORN was at the center of the so-called "prosecutor-gate" scandal, when the Bush administration pressured US attorneys to bring indictments over the grassroots group's voter-registration drives, then fired some prosecutors who resisted what they viewed as a partisan strategy not supported by solid evidence."
http://www.truthout.org/092709A?n
and from an ACORN insider:
http://www.consortiumnews.com/Print/2009/092609a.html
"campaign to reform Household International (also known as Household Finance and as Beneficial) played out from 2001 to 2003, concluding with a settlement that includes a ban on badmouthing the company.
That's why more people haven't heard about this. The families who fought back and defeated Household are barred from bragging about it or teaching the lessons they learned, because that would require recounting the damage that Household did to homes and neighborhoods."
Rove setting his US Attorney dogs on ACORN turned up nothing, and ended up getting US Attorney's fired for strictly political reasons.
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It appears that ACORNs biggest crimes were:
1. defending poor people against predatory lenders intent on stripping equity out of poor neighborhoods. The capitalists crush anybody standing up to their predations.
2. registering US CITIZENS to vote. With dubya having lost the 2000 popular vote by 600K, Rove and his accomplices were dead set in stopping ACORN from registering any more voters because they were likely to vote agains the Repugs.
The Dems were as Repugnant as the Repugs in voting to defund ACORN. Who will the Repug black-shirted jackboots come for next?
Two key things, one of which was already pointed out.
1) The "oral" conversation must be considered private. Is there expected privacy in the workplace? This wasn't someone's home. This wasn't an oral telephone conversation. This was either in an open cubicle, or office, where workers are not afforded legal privacy.
2) in the cases where it is illegal, the person must know it's illegal. That's specifically spelled out! In section 402:
Can anyone prove they knew they were in violation?(3) Willfully use, or endeavor to use, the contents of any wire, oral, or electronic communication, knowing or having reason to know that the information was obtained through the interception of a wire, oral, or electronic communication in violation of this sub le.
All states have ruled on oral conversations, that recording them are only illegal when privacy is expected.
Hey Shastafarian. Since there was no bomb that pretended to blow up a Dallas building should they let the guy go?
Are you saying the two reporters should be arrested for having imaginary underage Salvadorian pros utes? I would agree then.Hey Shastafarian. Since there was no bomb that pretended to blow up a Dallas building should they let the guy go?
I don't even know what guy you're talking about. If he threatened to blow up a building, then that's a crime. Were any imaginary pros utes in this building?
Here is a link to the story if you feel like reading it. CYA
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/kouri/090926
Looks like you finally read your own post!
I don't know the Maryland's law and I highly doubt they can win a case, but I'd be surprised if they couldn't find something to file to suit.
Obviously. But I believe ACORN made sure to let them know that not going after them would be in their best interest.
But yeah, ACORN and the millionaires on the top of it who made fortunes as shadow real estate developers would never file a suit. They may be out of business now but they've already made lots of money of it.
The curtains begin to drop on O"Keefe wing-nut financiers...
.James O'Keefe, the man who dressed as a pimp to secretly videotape ACORN employees condoning illegal activities was found to have received funding from Peter Thiel, a politically controversial Conservative hedge fund baron - along with several other conservative donors. According to the Village Voice, Thiel admits paying O'Keefe approximately $10,000 for a video project despite the videographer's claims he is "absolutely independent", repeatedly stating he was not funded by outside parties.
Peter Thiel, who co-founded the online payment service PayPal and provided start-up funds for the multibillion-dollar social networking success Facebook also has been outspoken against "multiculturalism" in the US as a member of the Federalist Society alongside Robert Bork, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas. Thiel's controversial views came to light earlier this year when concerns grew over accusations Facebook was collecting and archiving personal information on members that could prove embarrassing to them later in life.
TownHall.com blogger Hannah Giles who dressed as a pros ute while accompanying O'Keefe to various ACORN sites also claimed she "drained my entire savings" to travel around in helping to produce the videos.
O'Keefe's previous videos, posted to YouTube featured working class African Americans being hoaxed as O'Keefe and his pals emerged from a "Taxpayers Clearing House" van to present giant-sized sweepstakes checks. After recording the ensuing celebration, the recipients become chagrined to learn the fake check instead represented a bill for each household's share of the federal banks bailout.
From the Village Voice: "Through a representative, Peter Thiel confirmed that he had funded Taxpayers Clearing House through a small-government group, but denied having any involvement with the ACORN videos. The representative says Thiel first learned of the new O'Keefe videos after they hit the Internet, and having watched them on YouTube...he shares the view that taxpayer money should not promote human trafficking."
O'Keefe had also hoaxed an abortion provider in another uncompleted project, himself a former member of the Leadership Ins ute, a neocon think tank also attended by Karl Rove, Grover Norquist, and sexual escort turned Bush White House correspondent Jeff Gannon. The Ins ute started O'Keefe off with a $500 "Balance in Media" grant in 2005 to begin a right wing publication and later provided him with $4,000 in moviemaking equipment.
Voice author Stephen Thrasher surmises O'Keefe was likely still coasting off Thiel's "Taxpayers Clearing House" money when he shot the ACORN videos this summer in NY, California and Washington, DC. Philadelphia ACORN workers noted O'Keefe also secretly recorded his undercover pimp act in their offices but were cut from his feature when they didn't fall for his hoax.
Originally it seemed O'Keefe and Giles proved that America is still a place where some hard work and a few breaks can catapult a few creative young filmmakers into the limelight, fighting injustice as they see it. They surely helped take ACORN down a few pegs by exposing select employees whose conduct ran afoul of the rulebook, failing to object when O'Keefe and Giles pretended they planned to import underage Latin sex slaves.
As we learn O'Keefe was actually a young operative given extensive support to focus on causes that benefit wealthy special interests, it shatters the "average guy on the street" illusion to prove once again that these operations are simply paying to make it seem like this was the product of a couple of hustling youngsters producing a fully independent film.
Perhaps the worst thing revealed in this report is the alleged lying by O'Keefe to cover his tracks after the fact. This shows his awareness of popular perception of the underhanded 'astroturf' movement, in which well-oiled conservative groups pay extra to create the illusion that the protests against Obama's policies are coming from average middle class citizens.
Instead, we see these efforts are funded and aided by the wealthiest of the anti-populist upper class looking to suppress voter turn out in poor and working class American communities, continuing the work of the Bush Administration during the DOJ firing scandal and the vote-caging outrage in which lists of voters from heavily Democratic districts were discovered being sent from Karl Rove's RNC office server to a White House web server in order to intentionally bounce eligible voters from election rolls
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Ladies and Gentlemen...we have our criminal conspiracy under RICO...
That's a stretch, but I don't know why he felt it necessary to lie. He on his own credibility.
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