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    dangerous floater Winehole23's Avatar
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    I'm sick and tired of you Republicans who consider it government ass-wiping to do sensible things like try to bring down the price of what is by far the most expensive health-care system in the world.
    Socialism!

    Placate all the banks and defense contractors with corporate welfare, but people can all off.
    Bingo.

    Good nuts .

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    I've read many articles about the stimulus funds arriving and saving/creating jobs, with the bulk of the stimulus funds still to arrrive.
    It's funny to pretend the stimulus funds will actually stimulate the economy. The whole stimulus bill was a gift to liberal special interests, and is timed to buy votes for November 2010. Acting like it will set our country on a path to economic recovery is funny.

    Big example was the Clunker program, but there are many more.
    Yep, great example. Kickback for bankrupt Detroit automakers with crappy products. How's those auto sales numbers looking since the Clunker program ended?

    You want to know how to stimulate our economy and get the unemployment rate out of its death spiral? Get the government out of the stimulus business. Get it out of the wallets of all businesses by throwing around crap and trade and universal health care bills.

    Companies are holding onto the cash they have to figure out what's going to happen with both of those liberal economy killers before they'll start hiring in any kind of sustainable or recession ending quan ies.

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    Yep, great example. Kickback for bankrupt Detroit automakers with crappy products.

    Didn't CFC go towards all makes of cars, not just Det. made?


    Also Some people make more on unemployment than $8 an hour, so yeah why work.

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    I've done it for several month before in the past. It's not easy.

    I'm just sick and tired of you liberals wanting the government to fix all your problems. How about just moving back with you mommy and sucking your thumb if you cant deal with life.

    Last I check, a monthly TRIMET pass here was something like $72 if I remember right.


    I have no words to respond to this kind of idiocy. Just wow.

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    It's funny to pretend the stimulus funds will actually stimulate the economy. The whole stimulus bill was a gift to liberal special interests, and is timed to buy votes for November 2010. Acting like it will set our country on a path to economic recovery is funny.



    Yep, great example. Kickback for bankrupt Detroit automakers with crappy products. How's those auto sales numbers looking since the Clunker program ended?

    You want to know how to stimulate our economy and get the unemployment rate out of its death spiral? Get the government out of the stimulus business. Get it out of the wallets of all businesses by throwing around crap and trade and universal health care bills.

    Companies are holding onto the cash they have to figure out what's going to happen with both of those liberal economy killers before they'll start hiring in any kind of sustainable or recession ending quan ies.
    why would the dems need to buy off special interests in 2010? Seems to defy any logic when they didn't have any problems with the same special interests in 08. So if you are right which of these 'special interests' have the possibility of voting or supporring republicans?

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    lol @ this generation and upcoming ones


    Can't get jobs, dollar is a joke, and high interest rates on the way. Sucks for them.

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    Probably so. Taxes are going to have to come up sometime.
    I don't know why they have to.

    Thing with taxes, over the long term...

    When you raise taxes expecting more revenue, you do for maybe a year. Then the real economics catches up. People have less to spend and the economy has a slight decline. When you multiply less economy time more taxes, the tax revenue comes in at about the same, or lower.

    Look at historical charts of federal revenue. It averages about 18.2% of GNP no matter what the tax rate is. Increasing taxes just lowers the GNP, then you have 18.2% of a smaller GNP. Decreasing taxes increases the GNP, and then 18.2% of a higher GNP is obviously more.

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    You worked for half the minimum wage? Are you stupid?

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    Does someone need a diaper change so they will stop crying?

    I'm tired of you babies thinking the rest of us need to take care of you. Move back in with you mommy.

    Liberal, as a whole, want to welcome illegals, want social programs, then wonder why everything is ed up. Dammit, Stop electing the people who helped cause this.

    Taxes and regulations are sending our jobs overseas.

    Don't let the unions get so powerful that the auto makers have a hard time competing with foreign makers.

    Illegals are glad to have low paying jobs that keep wages down because of supply and demand.

    Don't have a job that pays enough? Well improve your marketability to an employer and vote for conservatives who will make this nation work again.

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    Also Some people make more on unemployment than $8 an hour, so yeah why work.
    Last time I was on unemployment, I received over $400 a week. I think it was $428. Wonder what it would be today? Still, that was $1000 less than I made working.

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    Liberal, as a whole, want to welcome illegals, want social programs, then wonder why everything is ed up. Dammit, Stop electing the people who helped cause this.
    You're right. Spending over a trillion dollars in Iraq was a much better use of our money. It definitely couldn't have helped our situation here.

    Does someone need a diaper change so they will stop crying?
    Nothing like insulting someone to make your statements appear more intelligent and valid. You stay classy, WC.

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    are you suggesting they move in with you and your welfare mommy?

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    Damn, WC has received a lot of government benefits.

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    ...and he's in a union.

    he should change his name to Wild Leech.

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    You worked for half the minimum wage? Are you stupid?
    What's stupid about that? Working can be gratifying by itself, as opposed to be unemployed and I've personally worked for free in the past and I don't regret it one bit.



    I'm sick and tired of you Republicans who consider it government ass-wiping to do sensible things like try to bring down the price of what is by far the most expensive health-care system in the world.
    Are you sure those sensible things will work? Are you sure there aren't better options? Are you sure things won't get worse after those sensible things are aproved? Are you sure Americans don't pay more for health-care due to their consumer preferences, because they want more and more expensive health-care? Heck, I pay more for health-care than many of my follow citizens because living in a country with socialized health-care I pay for a private insurance, as I don't want to have a teeth pain for the 8 months I have to wait till I get an appointment to the dentist.

    I love how ensuring a minimum wage that still falls way short of the poverty level is considered government babying.
    The minimum wage is a poweful instrument of economic exclusion. Or do you really, really believe that employers will pay a larger salary for a work whose productivity won't cover the costs of that salary? Sorry to dissapoint you, but they simply don't offer the job.

    Placate all the banks and defense contractors with corporate welfare, but people can all off.
    Strawman argument.

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    You're right. Spending over a trillion dollars in Iraq was a much better use of our money. It definitely couldn't have helped our situation here.
    At least wartime spending is authorized by the cons ution. Social spending isn't.
    Nothing like insulting someone to make your statements appear more intelligent and valid. You stay classy, WC.
    Sorry, but I just cannot help it when people act like a Crying baby ... Cry Havoc.

    Wow, do we have a new name for you?

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    ...and he's in a union.

    he should change his name to Wild Leech.
    LOL...

    At least I belong to a reasonable union. It's the unions that stop at nothing to maximize unreasonable benefits to their employees that I despise.

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    Placate all the banks and defense contractors with corporate welfare, but people can all off.
    Strawman argument.
    It also stands as a straightforward description of what the USG has done since September of last year. The assistance given to various large financial firms puts everything else in the shade.

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    If the minimum wage doesn't cause unemployment, why not raise it substantially? Say to $100/hour?

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    You're right. Spending over a trillion dollars in Iraq was a much better use of our money. It definitely couldn't have helped our situation here.
    So in your world, Saddam would still be in power? The Cons ution covers creating an Army and going to war, but does it cover the govt. owning companies? or taxing only people who earn a higher than most paycheck?



    Nothing like insulting someone to make your statements appear more intelligent and valid. You stay classy, WC.
    classy like mr. peanut.

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    It also stands as a straightforward description of what the USG has done since September of last year. The assistance given to various large financial firms puts everything else in the shade.
    Right and it creates monopolies and destroys small businesses. How many car companies went out of business but the ones who were failing the most were "helped".

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    Right and it creates monopolies and destroys small businesses. How many car companies went out of business but the ones who were failing the most were "helped".
    Why don't you tell me, spursncowboys? I'm not too familiar with the auto industry.

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    Right and it creates monopolies and destroys small businesses. How many car companies went out of business but the ones who were failing the most were "helped".
    What are you talking about now?

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    At least wartime spending is authorized by the cons ution. Social spending isn't.
    let me get this straight. Spending to ensure every american has healthcare is not ok. but spending to kill hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians is ok in your book?



    no wonder the Republican party is in such shambles with this way of thinking.

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    Rising above the Fray spursncowboys's Avatar
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    let me get this straight. Spending to ensure every american has healthcare is not ok. but spending to kill hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians is ok in your book?



    no wonder the Republican party is in such shambles with this way of thinking.
    hundred of thousands of civilians. When in American history did our military do that?
    This is the full context.
    Last edited by spursncowboys; 09-28-2009 at 08:01 PM.

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    hundred of thousands of civilians. When in American history did our military do that?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

    Source Iraqi casualties March 2003 to...
    Iraq Family Health Survey 151,000 violent deaths. June 2006
    Lancet survey 601,027 violent deaths out of 654,965 excess deaths. June 2006
    Opinion Research Business survey 1,033,000 violent deaths as a result of the conflict. August 2007
    Associated Press 110,600 violent deaths April 2009
    Iraq Body Count 92,489 – 100,971 violent civilian deaths as a result of the conflict. June 2009

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