Obama does. His DOJ will have them on the same list as veterans.
Clinton was handling this right...we should have eliminated the Al-Queda remnants covertly, not gone to war - think of the resources we've wasted...now were stuck in Iraq, stuck in Afghanistan...with little hope of getting stable governments in either country that will be strong enough so we can pull combat troops out...Iraq and Afghanistan have become banana Republics...that's what we showed in Central and South America we could do and by God we did it...
AQI, the military term for Al Qeada in Iraq isn't funny. They are a deadly formidable ally. They are minuscule in numbers but can hold their own with the shia militas like JAM and SCIRI. Most of AQI came in after the invasion by foreign fighters. However it is ridiculous to think that saddam and OBL weren't working together.
Surely you're not comparing the putting a price on a head of one man because of one mans actions to the terrorist attacks we mentioned above? Those links have nothing to do with Sweden but a man.
In any event what it proves is that the idea that a country is "free" is not the reason a country is attacked. If it was then the United States would not be on the top of the list nor would many of the other countries who have been attacked because there are nations who meet those criteria yet are not being attacked.
What I find really interesting about this, is that Bin Laden himself has said many times over what his motivations are. They're extremely well do ented. They are and have never been anywhere as simple as "because the United States is free".
I hate to say this but we should just give Afghanistan back to the Taliban and ask them to keep the beheadings to a minimum....Iraq...we are just completely ed....thanks Dubya....we have no option but to stay until Iraq progresses toward a legitimate democracy...instead of the crony capitalism, banana Republic it is now...
Well for now they mainly targetting countries who have troops in Afghanistan (London and Madrid attacks, and threats against Germany and France).
Was Russia too free also? /threadWhat I find really interesting about this, is that Bin Laden himself has said many times over what his motivations are. They're extremely well do ented. They are and have never been anywhere as simple as "because the United States is free".
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/al-qaeda-terrorism.htmlThe principal stated aims of al-Qaeda are to drive Americans and American influence out of all Muslim nations, especially Saudi Arabia; destroy Israel; and topple pro-Western dictatorships around the Middle East. Bin Laden has also said that he wishes to unite all Muslims and establish, by force if necessary, an Islamic nation adhering to the rule of the first Caliphs.
Clinton was handling it right... WTC, uss Cole, embassy bombings, not letting the CIA have OBL assasinated, 9-11, mogadishu, letting saddam violate atleast 10 un resolutions, letting NKorea develop nukes, etc. That is great....so if you were president after 9-11, we wouldn't have invaded anybody, saddam would still be in charge of iraq and over 10% of the worlds oil reserves?
I need another one for that
They are not the same. I'm not sure how else to explain it to you. Al-Qeada was an organization. Wahhabi is a radical Islamic philosophy. Not everyone who subscribes to it is or ever was a member of Al-Qeada anymore than not every white supremacist is a member of the KKK.
What do I think Al-Qaeda's motivations are?
http://www.fas.org/irp/crs/RS21973.pdf
Or this one is good too - pay special attention to the Al-Qeada worldview section.
http://www.futureofmuslimworld.com/r...aedas-ideology
So then the motivation is not simply what they do not like religiously? This is a completely different motivation than what you said before.
yeah all that was so hilarious!
...happened under Dubya's watch...WTC
...was not concluded who was involved until Dubya...uss Cole
...guess again....Reagan..embassy bombings
They weren't. It is actually ridiculous to think that they were. This is a well do ented fact. There is absolutely no support to the thought they worked together and understanding the ideology of Al-Qaeda explains why.
Whether or not the fighters in Iraq are formidable is irrelevant to pointing out the chosen label given to them was a political exercise meant to draw in support for the war.
Was never on the table.....Afghanistan offered to turn Osama over to Yemen or Saudi Arabia...both refused..not letting the CIA have OBL assasinated,
Israel had a covert nuclear weapons program and violated countless numbers of UN resolutions, but we have yet to attack Israel...letting saddam violate atleast 10 un resolutions
errr........Bush41....letting NKorea develop nukes,
i've read Said and i still dont know
the one in 92. 9-11 did happen while bush was president. I thought since you were blaming bush for problems now, 9 months out of office, you'd be able to do that with clinton/bush
Have you read them? There were threats to Sweden not related to the cartoon. You're just misinformed.
What are exactly the motivations to attack countries so diverse as Tunisia, Algeria, Spain, US, Russia, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, UK, Denmark, Iemen, etc?
...well I guess using Dubya logic we could have attacked Mexico for the U.S.S. Cole bombing....
Yeah isn't that a testiment of how great the un is. How many resolutions do burma, north korea, iran, and syria have. I bet it wouldn't be as many as israel. Also israel is our ally. Furthermore I doubt israel practiced genocide on it's own people.
Bin Laden and the Mogadishu massacre
When U.S. tried to aid Somalians, terrorists conducted guerrilla war
Posted: October 12, 2001
1:00 am Eastern
© 2009 WorldNetDaily.com
The fall of 1993 was a dark time in the annals of U.S. foreign policy. President Clinton organized an international relief effort to stem starvation amid a raging civil war in Somalia. U.S. military forces spearheaded the United Nations peacekeeping and humanitarian mission.
The idea was to bring food to the civilians who needed it, while ensuring it was not grabbed by factions vying for power in the turbulent African nation.
The American people were led to believe that a massacre of 18 U.S. Rangers was the work of one of those militia groups – headed by a Somalian bandit by the name of Muhammad Farrah Aidid.
But, according to a detailed account of the operational planning of that attack in Yossef Bodansky's "Bin Laden: The Man Who Declared War on America," the massacre was actually the result of a well-planned, well-executed ambush by terrorist forces overseen by Osama bin Laden and supported by the governments of Sudan, Iraq and Iran.
Beginning in 1992, bin Laden orchestrated the movement of 3,000 Yemeni veterans of the Afghanistan war into Somalia. They brought with them heavy weapons and terrorist equipment – including remote-controlled bombs, booby-trapped dolls and Stinger missiles. Bin Laden paid for the mission out of his own pocket to the tune of $3 million.
The idea was "to escalate the armed struggle against the United States," according to Bodansky.
Aidid did indeed play a role. His men were trained in Iran, Yemen, Sudan, Ethiopia and Uganda as part of the master plan.
The Mogadishu operation was so important to Iraq's Saddam Hussein that he sent his son Qusay to supervise the coming attacks on Americans.
In June a conference was held in Khartoum, Sudan, to plan a way to drag Americans in Somalia into a land war, street battles and ambushes "as was done in Vietnam."
Bin Laden did his part – arranging for the movement of trucks, fuel, food, water, weapons, ammunition and explosives into Somalia from Sudan.
On Oct. 3, 1993, U.S.-U.N. forces learned about the presence of two of Aidid's senior foreign policy advisers, Osman Salah and Muhammad Hassan Awali, at the Olympic Hotel. Quickly, a helicopter assault of 100 American troops was under way. The two were captured, as well as 22 other Aidid supporters.
But as the U.S. troops prepared to leave, they were caught in a well-organized ambush by more than a 1,000 guerrillas. Two helicopters were shot down and a third crash-landed at Mogadishu's airport. The U.S. troops established a perimeter around the crash site, but found themselves surrounded and under heavy fire for 11 hours.
In that firefight, 18 American troops were killed, 78 were wounded and one helicopter pilot was captured.
The next day, the guerrillas celebrated a great victory over America – dragging the bodies of the U.S. servicemen through the streets of Mogadishu.
But it was hardly a force of rag-tag Somalian rebels that had trapped the Americans. The intelligence tip received by U.S. forces about the presence of Aidid's men was the setting of a trap by a combination of Islamicist forces directed by bin Laden and his top lieutenant, Ayman al-Zawahiri. The ensuing ambush was conducted by hard-core battle-hardened Arab "Afghans" and Iraqis. The main strike force consisted of troops trained by Iran and Iraq. Aidid's forces were introduced later in large numbers to create the appearance of an enraged mob of Somalians taking revenge on U.S. forces.
"In several interviews and statements, Osama bin Laden has said that he considers his experience in Somalia a milestone in his evolution," writes Bodansky. "Somalia was the first time he was involved in a major undertaking at the leadership level, exposed to the complexities of decision making and policy formulation. He established working relations with the intelligence services of Iran and Iraq that would prove useful in his rise to the top. Although he did not actually take part in the fighting in Mogadishu, his contribution to the Islamicist effort and ultimate victory was major and decisive. Bin Laden still defines the fighting in Mogadishu as one of his major triumphs against the United States."
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=24858
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