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    He gets off on the wrong foot by putting Jamison and Marion in front of Chris Webber, then he claims TD isn't a PF, but puts Gasol on the list. FAIL.

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    He/She must think of him as a center altough why would you do that If HE is called the Best Power Forward of ALL-TIME all the time

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    Just enjoy however much time Tim plays because as you can see by Kobe getting the decade award and KG getting the top PF position his legacy is going to be diminished almost completely by the media.

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    LOL @ Spurs fans clinging onto "greatest PF" and "team of the decade"..

    what do Hornets fans have to cling onto?.."..."..I can't even think of a joke, that's how bad it is..
    So, Spurs fans don't cling onto those monikers? Are you going to answer the question or resort to ad hominem?

    Deron Williams at 100% is the best PG in the game.
    Okay, he's still not better than Chris Paul.

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    lol @ no Duncan
    lol @ Brand over Sheed
    lol @ Gasol is PF
    lol @ Marion over Stoudemire
    lol @ no Stoudemire

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    Spurs fans have to cling on that "Greatest Power Forward of All Time" label, just like they cling on the "Team of the Decade" label.
    Thats actually something to be proud of dummy. Knowing the greatest PF played for your team is great.

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    im speachless.

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    Thats actually something to be proud of dummy. Knowing the greatest PF played for your team is great.
    No, it's not great when Spurs fans about Tim Duncan not being listed as number one "something" of all time. Everybody's mad that Duncan's not on the Power Forward list because maybe--just maybe--he might be listed as 2nd best Center.

    Oh, the horror.

    Dwyer already stated that he thinks Duncan is better than Garnett--the Power Forward of the decade, according to him. There's nothing to be mad about.

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    No, it's not great when Spurs fans about Tim Duncan not being listed as number one "something" of all time. Everybody's mad that Duncan's not on the Power Forward list because maybe--just maybe--he might be listed as 2nd best Center.

    Oh, the horror.

    Dwyer already stated that he thinks Duncan is better than Garnett--the Power Forward of the decade, according to him. There's nothing to be mad about.
    so funny that you stopped talking about Gasol.

    again, the logic in that article is flawed.

    you still have not answered why Gasol who played 7 years as a C should be in that list before Duncan. you yourself admitted Gasol played C for 7 years of this decade.

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    I think we can all agree that Tim is the best PF ever and of this decade yada yada yada. All this writer really did was make a list that was a slap in the face to Timmy, but in the grand scheme of things who really cares? We know what he is and where he stands at.

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    No, it's not great when Spurs fans about Tim Duncan not being listed as number one "something" of all time. Everybody's mad that Duncan's not on the Power Forward list because maybe--just maybe--he might be listed as 2nd best Center.

    Oh, the horror.

    Dwyer already stated that he thinks Duncan is better than Garnett--the Power Forward of the decade, according to him. There's nothing to be mad about.
    Who said I was mad? I'm referring more to your commment about our clinging on to Timmy being the best PF. It's not clinging on when its true.

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    Manny Ramirez isn't really a left fielder...

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    Dirk plays like a SF most of his career, yet he is still made the list and is called a PF. so no
    Vlade Divac spent most of his career in the high post. Yet no one disputes that he was a center.
    I think an argument can be made for this. However, as ShoogarBear implied, Dwyer contradicts his reasoning by putting Pau Gasol on the list. He was the pivot in Memphis and even on the Lakers. He played center all of his first year with Bynum injured and continued to play more than half of the season at center last year with Bynum either injured/ineffective.
    I think Dirk plays like a small forward sometimes on offense, but by in large his game is of a power forward with perimeter skills. Dirk isn't going to defend small forwards. And, Dirk can and does on occasion post up, even though it's more of a midpost or sometimes a high post backdown. I guess it's which position does he fit best as? I would still say PF. Whereas if you ask me what position best describes how Tim Duncan plays, I would say rather certainly that the center position describes his game best.

    Vlade Divac did play a lot of high post especially in Sacramento since Chris Webber was very capable in the low post. But, not sure I would say he spent most of his career in the high post. And, he was quite adept at playing in the low post if asked and required. And, once again, it's not just the offensive side of the ball. Divac was not a PF defender. Rarely would he guard PFs and if he did, it wasn't by design. Again, which position suited his game and/or described his game best? I would say center.

    With Pau Gasol, I would agree for the most part that he should viewed more as a center than a PF. I wasn't arguing that Dwyer and his article wasn't stupid. I was merely saying that in reality Tim Duncan has always played like a center. I'm not saying he shouldn't be considered a power forward or that he won't be when history remembers him. That's what he wants to be called, so be it. And, if he is going to be viewed as a power forward, then of course he's the best power forward in the history of the game. I'm just saying he really hasn't been a power forward his entire career. Call him a PF for whatever reason you want. But, he really isn't one.

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    Kelly Dwyer Should be Fired, And Deported To the Middle East And dropped In A Mine Field for not having Tim Duncan on that List

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    LOL @ Spurs fans clinging onto "greatest PF" and "team of the decade"..

    what do Hornets fans have to cling onto?.."..."..I can't even think of a joke, that's how bad it is..

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    Who gives a , he is the best power foward of all time and we all know it.

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    Some, probably most of you Spurs fans, will argue against this opinion, but I think Tim Duncan has been playing center basically his entire career, despite what position he wants to be labeled and what other players he's played with.

    Even with David Robinson, D-Rob didn't play like a center. He ran the floor like a guard and in half-court sets, he played more of the (traditionally PF) high post, especially with Duncan. From day 1, Duncan has been the main low post threat on the block. PF or C, he was the pivot on offense. And, even though D-Rob defended centers, Duncan shared in those defensive assignments, maybe not equally, but they were basically interchangeable in how they defended PFs and centers. And Rasho was more of a spot up midrange jumper on offense as well.

    Duncan can be called a power forward. It's what he wants. But, for all intents and purposes and how he played, he's pretty much been a center his entire NBA career.

    Rarely do I disagree with Jamstone but this is one of those times. Basically you are saying that because Duncan calls himself a PF, he is one even though, in your opinion, he isn't one. Ok but then on the other side, you saying he is a center also doesn't make him one.

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    Rarely do I disagree with Jamstone but this is one of those times. Basically you are saying that because Duncan calls himself a PF, he is one even though, in your opinion, he isn't one. Ok but then on the other side, you saying he is a center also doesn't make him one.
    I consider Tim Duncan's game one of a center, and even when he was playing alongside David Robinson and Rasho Nesterovic. That's how I personally view his game. And, as I initially said, it's fine if you disagree with that. It's my opinion.

    And, yes, I also say if Tim Duncan wants to be considered a power forward, then it's fine. If that's how he wants to be viewed and labeled and remembered, I don't have a problem with it. I don't agree with it, but it is what it is. That's what he wants.

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    Manny Ramirez isn't really a left fielder...
    While with the Falcons, Michael Vick wasn't really a quarterback.


    I don't really give a damn about the view of Kelly Dwyer or who ends up where on his completely subjective lists. But if your intent is to detract, ever so slightly, from Tim Duncan (and there are those who have that agenda) about the only way to do it is call him a center and argue that he hasn't been "as good" as Shaq.

    What's funny about that canard here is that if you're going to argue that Tim playing mostly center over the last few seasons makes him a center for all of the last decade, then don't you have to consider that Tim (by and large) has been a better player/center than Shaq since at least 2005?

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    Duncan is beyond a PF and a C.

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    What a funnt joke!No TIM?I think she must be drunk!

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    WOW. Who gives a about this jackass anyway?

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    so you agree Gasol is a C also and should not be on the list, correct?
    No because the Spurs start Duncan and Bonner (or now mcdyess) while the Lakers start Pau and Bynum.
    Bynum is more of a Center than anyone the spurs have started there in years.
    You guys are just too attached to calling Duncan "the best pf ever"

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    Kelly Dwyer is a guy, not a Spurs-hater, and usually not a bad writer, although these top 10 lists are not great.

    Anyway, he's obviously thinking of Duncan as a C. Duncan was a PF until DRob left, and since then has mostly (although not exclusively) played centre. Let's not get our panties in a twist over nothing.

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