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Nice job Baseline Bum - you printed off a copy of the Demo talking points.
The deficit spending has been accelerated by the Obama administration (which was also out of whack under Bush).
Paying for all the things BHO wants to do will hurt our economy at a time when is it already weak. Higher taxes on the people who still have employment (an employment killer) or higher deficits and debt (the govermental credit card weighing our currency down) are not good options.
BBum has noted some key goverment contributions (space program, roads, etc), which is true. Atomic weapons are another major govenment contribution - ending WWII sooner and saving millions of lives and protecting our country 24/7. Nuclear power could even relieve a material portion of our energy issues as well. Oh, I forgot, people like BBum don't like that great government contribution.
I noticed BBum did not mention the en lement programs already in place are not in good financial shape.
A massive shift in our health care system to the Canada or England model will result in a smaller supply of good doctors. England has to import doctors from all over the world because a domestic doctor shortage - it will happen here as well (it already has to a certain extent). Shortages are byproduct of price controls and rationed care. I've noticed no mention in the public dialog of cutting healthcare and insurance costs by looking at tort reform. Oh yeah, you can't threaten the money tree of the slip and fall lawyers (95% of them are democrats and fund the democrat party big time).
Kent in Atlanta was trying to educate you guys a little bit. Our goverment is not capable of running car companies, banks, or health care. The dominating presence of Medicare is already controlling a significant portion of the U.S. healthcare system. Cars for Clunkers was another example of goverment screwing something up in a big way. Pissing away another $3B in three weeks.
If guys like Congressman Grayson (D-FL) (if you don't know who that is - Google him) represent the mainstream Democrat point of view, I am proud to have a complete different world view.
Sorry for going political here, but it is a free country (I think).
Last edited by Harry Callahan; 10-01-2009 at 07:00 AM.
i know right!
I can only like people who agree on everything with me.
somebody move this thread to the political forum.
thanks for nothing, bubba_in_Atlanta.
bingo.
go Pop!
Be careful with your choice of words. Think about it......Rationing doesn't occur now?
I understand the argument from both sides of the fence, having been a healthcare professional for over a decade now. Most of the problem extends from the verbiage being slung around. People invariably aren't talking about the same things, even though the same words are being used. See the example above.
Having said that, I continue to love Pop for what he gets paid for and does best, regardless of his political or socioeconomic inclinations.
I have explained multiple times in this thread what bugged me about his response. I'm well aware that probably half the people in the NBA are on the other side of the political fence. Cool. Fine. That's they're point of view. I don't care. But the "sickening" comment pissed me off. Pull your head out of your ass and learn to read.
Wrong......
Because one economist said it.
Pop is sickened because the paranoid, bull anti-health-reform/keep-the-status-quo-ripoff spew, paid for by the corps, IS SICKENING.
get over it. you disagree with pop. it is called a difference of opinion.
In other news the Spurs began Day 3 of training camp....
Why is everyone so mad over this. Instead of getting mad at Pop, Kent, you should be praising WOAI. Pop hates giving interviews, and they finally followed a line of questioning that got Pop to open up and actually talk with some passion.
BTW, for the government (both parties), fear is the tool that tyrants use to rule. Options are the tools that make democracy great. Whatever those options are, it's best to have them imo. That's all I'll say on the subject matter.
+1. just confirms what i have always expected. he is a realist and an intelligent indivdual who makes his own mind up and doesnt let others think for him and doesnt beleive all the bs in the media. it is shameless how the glenn becks and limbaughs have used fear to attack obama and his policies. damn near feels likes the 40 and 50's again.
I guess you cant keep politics out of basketball, otherwise you wouldnt have posted this. What do you care what pop thinks about some politic issues?! Its about basketball right? Then focus on the basketball and dont get mad at him and his opinion, because then you are mixing basketball with politics.
you are doing the same in this forum, dumbass.
take this to the political forum.
maybe he meant "sickening" literally. as in as far as your backwardness and gullibility make you a willing tool for the blood-sucking health insurance companies, you are a contributing factor in keeping people sick.
That's why I don't discuss politics with friends. I don't even discuss politics here. With friends, discussing politics just turns into arguments and people get pissed off or get their feelings hurt when you don't believe the same way as them. On here, its rather pointless to discuss things. Arguments just go around full circle, and nothing is really accomplished through it (just more posts). No one is going to change anyone's mind on here, and it just comes down to arguing over your beliefs for no reason. Rather pointless, IMO.
that's because you and your friends don't know how to have a constructive discussion. Don't worry you are in the majority unfortunately for this country
Everyone has their own beliefs. I'm not going to change their minds about what they believe, and they're not going to change my mind. I know what I believe and I'm going to stick to it. That's where the arguments come in. You think you're right, and you stick to your guns. When you argue with someone, more than likely their feelings are going to get hurt. On a forum, less likely, but when it's friends feelings are bound to get hurt.
it is sickening. hate on him for speaking the truth, but it is what it is. too bad you can't see it that way.
+100000You hate basketball and politics mixing so to counter that you mix basketball and politics?
Wow.
Kent in Atlanta. A little secret... no one gives a what you think.
no need for me to read beyond this, you covered it
Beleive it or not there is a way to discuss things constructively without getting feelings hurt.
Everyone has their own beliefs. I'm not going to change their minds about what they believe, and they're not going to change my mind. I know what I believe and I'm going to stick to it. That's where the arguments come in. You think you're right, and you stick to your guns. When you argue with someone, more than likely their feelings are going to get hurt. On a forum, less likely, but when it's friends feelings are bound to get hurt.
Ppl get carried away by trying to be right, instead of being open minded and asking themselves if maybe, they could be wrong.
yup the first step is to be open minded and beleive that it's possible you could be wrong. very hard to do but possible
Obviously you can. However, when you're discussing things like health care, national security, and things of that nature, things will get more than heated. Why? Because people already have their position on those things. They construct them through faith, how they were brought up, etc. It's a lot harder to change peoples minds on politics than a lot of other stuff, like sports for instance, and some of the topics are more important as well. So instead of arguing about it, I choose not to discuss it. Because I choose not to discuss it, I'm not able to have a constructive conversation.
Oh..it's so easy.
Pop is a no-nonsense coach.
No wonder, he bashes the nonsense spewed by the fear mongers of the status-quoists against the "public option".
My respect for Pop has gone up even more higher notches now.
Pop for president!
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