Loose Change 9/11 An American Coup trailer

[ChumpDumper]

Because I like millions of others did not see any.

But they were scrambled and you lied when you said they were not. This is why nothing ever comes of these conversations.

You lie.

You just repeat lie after lie and when one lie is exposed, you quickly change the subject (which may or may not mean spouting out more lies), then repeat the original lies again sometime later like it was never dealt with before.

You can say all these so called jets were scrambled but that's is all hearsay if not one actually showed up where the was.

Um, no. The scrambled jets are a matter of fact -- a fact you just posted above.

And besides your going to harp on one portion of the topic to avoid the meat of all the lies?

I think it's very instructive for anyone reading to see how you kicked your own ass right off the bat. It's not my fault you lied in one post and then exposed your own lie in another shortly thereafter.

You rather find some small portion of the topic to dwell on instead of saying why WTC7 is not in the 9/11 report?

Ah, this is where you try to change the subject. I will stipulate that WTC7 was not mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report -- but there is a 130-page report solely committed to the collapse of WTC7, so I don't quite understand why you are ing about that anymore.

Your bias and one sided on all the 9/11 issues and you really have nothing to ad since your happy with everything you have been told.

Not everything, but nothing you or any other truther has come up with has convinced me of anything different from the basic official story.

Which amazes me since you seem to be able to question Bush in the past but not 9/11
I find that odd where you draw the lines.

I thought Bush was incompetent in many areas. The basic official story more or less confirms my thoughts.

[mouse]

Well since your obviously the most educated person in dealing with 9/11 I will just approach you with any questions i have in the future. I find it ironic how you don't have your own website that can debunk the millions of 9/11 websites out there.

who knew ST had it's own Huffington post right here in the club? You think because you have proof that pig ass is put inside each wiener they make I am going to not taste it for myself? I said where were all the jets you say had been scrambled?

You find some do ent that shows 120 miles away private Pyle jumped in his jet 30 minutes after the fact as evidence? If your going to call me out for lies then do the same to all the links I posted go to the sites and have them remove there postings!

The facts are your just out to kill the messenger your whole point is to provide proof I'm full of instead of providing proof what really took place on 9/11 and I don't care i am not about to take your word for it that those buildings came down at free fall speed due to jet fuel. So go ahead and try and twist everything I post as lies I am just one person your talent is really being wasted on me, why not venture out to the real world and have that Loose Change movie pulled from public viewing?Why not share your stone cold hard evidence with the the victims of 9/11? They could use your ground breaking information more than I can.

You won't you know why?
because you can only get away with your refried bull here at ST where you have a very simple minded audience.

[ChumpDumper]

Well since your obviously the most educated person in dealing with 9/11 I will just approach you with any questions i have in the future.

Don't you do that already?

I find it ironic how you don't have your own website that can debunk the millions of 9/11 websites out there.

No need -- there are several sites that do a great job of that already. Would you like a list of links to them?

who knew ST had it's own Huffington post right here in the club? You think because you have proof that pig ass is put inside each wiener they make I am going to not taste it for myself? I said where were all the jets you say had been scrambled?

You said no jets were scrambled.

You find some do ent that shows 120 miles away private Pyle jumped in his jet 30 minutes after the fact as evidence? If your going to call me out for lies then do the same to all the links I posted go to the sites and have them remove there postings!

I can't prevent people from lying. I can choose to counter their claims if I like. I like doing that here.

The facts are your just out to kill the messenger your whole point is to provide proof I'm full of instead of providing proof what really took place on 9/11 and I don't care

If you don't care, why do you respond? I already said I cared enough to respond. I actually have people like you to thank for my acceptance of the basic official story of 9/11. People like you asked questions -- I took the time to look up the answers. I answered them to my satisfaction.

i am not about to take your word for it that those buildings came down at free fall speed due to jet fuel.

Well they didn't fall that fast, so you don't have to.

So go ahead and try and twist everything I post as lies

Not everything -- but you certainly did lie about the scrambling of jets. After several years of this, I have little patience for lies.

I am just one person your talent is really being wasted on me, why not venture out to the real world and have that Loose Change movie pulled from public viewing?Why not share your stone cold hard evidence with the the victims of 9/11? They could use your ground breaking information more than I can.

Nothing I have posted about 9/11 is groundbreaking. It's all out there in books, magazines, newspapers, do entaries and floating about the internets. It's all been done.

The question I have is why have you never bothered to look?

You won't you know why?
because you can only get away with your refried bull here at ST where you have a very simple minded audience.

I actually cleared something up on the Loose Change forums using my real name.

See if you can find it!

[mouse]

But they were scrambled and you lied when you said they were not. This is why nothing ever comes of these conversations.

You lie.

Re-read my quotes!

Failures to Scramble

No plausible explanation has been provided for failing to scramble interceptors in a timely fashion from bases within easy range to protect the September 11th targets. Fighters that were dispatched were scrambled from distant bases. Early in the attack, when Flight 11 had turned directly south toward New York City, it was obvious that New York City and the World Trade Center, and Washington D.C. would be likely targets. Yet fighters were not scrambled from the bases near the targets. They were only scrambled from distant bases. Moreover there were no redundant or backup scrambles.


Maybe I worded it wrong, is this better?

Failures to Intercept

Even though the interceptors were not dispatched from the most logical bases, the ones that were scrambled still had adequate time to reach their assigned planes. Why didn't they? Because they were only flying at a small fraction of their top speed. That is the conclusion implicit in NORAD's timeline.
Otis to the WTC

here is a link something your not in a habit of providing.

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/norad/

You just repeat lie after lie and when one lie is exposed, you quickly change the subject (which may or may not mean spouting out more lies), then repeat the original lies again sometime later like it was never dealt with before.

How does one know he or she is lying unless someone like you shows them different? When did I say I was a 9/11 expert?
I will address each lie individually to satisfy you as I hope you do the same.

Um, no. The scrambled jets are a matter of fact -- a fact you just posted above.
I think it's very instructive for anyone reading to see how you kicked your own ass right off the bat. It's not my fault you lied in one post and then exposed your own lie in another shortly thereafter.

Sorry I was going by what was on my TV I am sure in the secret underground Basement you live in on one of your many tv monitors you saw the jets, I didn't. Am I wrong to bring it up?

Ah, this is where you try to change the subject.

Acully it's called moving on. I figure if I am not 100% dead on with a subject why dwell on it as there are many other questions about 9/11 not just jets not being scambled. I could turn this around and say you like to harp on one subject to avoid talking about the others. Don't I get a chance to rethink my postings and do another search on the matter?

Unlike you I am open minded enough to see if there is evidence i may have overlooked.

I will stipulate that WTC7 was not mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report -- but there is a 130-page report solely committed to the collapse of WTC7, so I don't quite understand why you are ing about that anymore.

Maybe your off base with what i was saying. I don't mean the letters WTC and the number 7 is not in the 9/11 report. I am talking about the report avoiding talking about WTC7. I can have the letters SEX in a 500 page report I make and never actually talk about what sex is of if i have it on a daily basis.

Things not mentioned in the 9/11 report on WTC7

WTC7 Security Official Details Explosions Inside Building

testimony from maintenance workers there during the attacks.

listen to the clips here .
http://prisonplanet.com/audio/190607clips2.mp3

Avery and Burmas, who played the two short clips of the interview prior to further analysis and more clips to be played on their own GCN radio show later tonight at 7pm CST, further described how the individual had witnessed dead bodies in the lobby of 7 and was told by the police not to look at them.

This is vital information be cause it is in direct conflict with the official claim that no one was killed inside building 7. The 9/11 Commission report did not even mention building, yet here we have a key witness who told them he saw dead people inside the building after explosions had gutted the lower level.

What makes all this information even more explosive is the fact that this individual was interviewed by the 9/11 Commission as they conducted their so called investigation.

The fact that the building was not even mentioned in the report in light of this information thus becomes chilling and indicates that officials have lied in stating that they have not come into contact with evidence of explosive devices within the buildings.

Not everything, but nothing you or any other truther has come up with has convinced me of anything different from the basic official story.

How do you feel about Omissions and Distortions?

Most of what has been omitted from the Commission Report, particularly the contents of the analysis section. Indeed, the omissions are so numerous they could fill a book, and do -- David Griffin's 339-page Omissions and Distortions. Here we list only some of the more egregious omissions, falsehoods, and contradictions in the Report. In the following we use 'Report' to refer to the entire Report including the Notes section.
Omissions

* The Report fails to acknowledge that no steel-framed high-rise building has ever collapsed due to fires.
* The Report fails to mention the total collapse of 47-story steel-framed skyscraper Building 7 at 5:20 on the day of the attack.
* The Report contains no mention of the interview in which the owner of Building 7 states that he and the Fire Department decided to "pull" Building 7 -- an apparent admission of a conspiracy to destroy the building and its contents.
* The Report fails to mention the rapid removal and recycling of the structural steel from the collapsed World Trade Center buildings, even to make excuses for it.
* The Report makes no mention of a statement by then-Mayor Rudolph Giuliani to Peter Jennings indicating he had foreknowledge of the collapses: "We were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was gonna collapse, and it did collapse before we could get out of the building."
* The Report contains no mentions of eyewitness accounts of explosions preceding the collapse of South Towers.
* The Report fails to mention that George W. Bush's brother, Marvin Bush, and his cousin, Wirt Walker III, were principals in the company that had the contract to provide security for the World Trade Center, Stratesec, nor does it mention the company.
* The Report makes no mention of the fact that a new lessor took control of the World Trade Center complex just six weeks before the attack, obtained an insurance policy covering terrorist attacks, and successfully sued the insurance companies to obtain twice the multi-billion-dollar value of the policy.
* The Report repeats the list of 19 suspects identified by the FBI within days of the attack, while failing to mention that six of them reported themselves alive after the attack.
* The Report fails to mention any of the reports of behavior by the alleged hijackers before the attack that belie the official story that they were devout Muslims on a suicide mission for Allah.
* The Report fails to mention that the published passenger lists contained no Arab names -- a fact publicized by skeptics of the official story.
* The Report fails to ask why the plane that crashed into the Pentagon was not stopped by anti-aircraft missile batteries that presumably ring the building.
* The Report fails to mention that no credible footage of the Pentagon attack has been made public, despite public knowledge that the FBI seized footage of the attack from nearby businesses.
* The Report does not ask why the Secret Service did not obtain air cover for the President's motorcade from the Sarasota school to the airport, nor for Air Force One, which took off at about 9:54, until about 11:10.
* The Report avoids mentioning several reports that government officials and business leaders received warnings and avoided targets of the attacks, including:
o A warning by the FBI advising Attorney General John Ashcroft to avoid flying on commercial airlines.
o The report that Pentagon officials suddenly canceled travel plans the evening before the attack.
o The cancellation of plans by Ariel Sharon to attend an event in New York City on 9/11/01.
o A warning to San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown to avoid flying.
o The grounding of Salman Rushdie by Scotland Yard.
* The Report avoids mentioning a warning received by employees of Odigo hours before the attack.
* The Report does not mention that letters with weaponized anthrax were sent to the two most powerful senators attempting to slow the passage of the 9/11/01 attack-predicated USA PATRIOT Act.
* The Report states that the Commission was "chartered to prepare a full and complete account of the cir stances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, including preparedness for and the immediate response to the attacks," but fails to mention that it makes no attempt to meet its charter.

I thought Bush was incompetent in many areas. The basic official story more or less confirms my thoughts.

You seem so pleased with all that took place I wish I had your peace and wisdom to share with others.

[mouse]

I actually cleared something up on the Loose Change forums using my real name.

See if you can find it!

As soon as you find a 9/11 family member who supports your bitterness on this topic.

[mouse]

Another thing get off your high horse about lying your no saint. How can you call someone a lier if they are saying something they saw or read? To me lying is knowing you know the real truth and you lie anyway. That is like me saying there is no TRoll forum and I know there is one. Just because you point out where someone was misquoted doesn't mean they lie.

look at this screen shot and tell me how you can call me a lier after I only posted what I have read.

[ChumpDumper]

Re-read my quotes!

Ok.

How come not one jet fighter was scrambled during the worst attack in US history and yet a year earlier over 129 jet fighters were?

That was easy.

How does one know he or she is lying unless someone like you shows them different?

Actually you showed that you lied.

Sorry I was going by what was on my TV I am sure in the secret underground Basement you live in on one of your many tv monitors you saw the jets, I didn't. Am I wrong to bring it up?

You were wrong to lie about no jets' being scrambled.

Acully it's called moving on.

People do that when they get owned around here. Especially if they own themselves.

I figure if I am not 100% dead on with a subject why dwell on it as there are many other questions about 9/11 not just jets not being scambled.

then why ask the question in the first place?

I could turn this around and say you like to harp on one subject to avoid talking about the others. Don't I get a chance to rethink my postings and do another search on the matter?

You certainly had the opportunity to expose your own lie. Congratulations for taking that opportunity.

Unlike you I am open minded enough to see if there is evidence i may have overlooked.

Not really. It's been my experience that you ignore any arguments that someone opposing your views might present, either changing the subject or resorting to ad hominems such as saying one such person with opposing viewpoints sits in a basement watching multiple monitors. The phrase "man sauce" is used quite often.

Maybe your off base with what i was saying. I don't mean the letters WTC and the number 7 is not in the 9/11 report. I am talking about the report avoiding talking about WTC7. I can have the letters SEX in a 500 page report I make and never actually talk about what sex is of if i have it on a daily basis.

Things not mentioned in the 9/11 report on WTC7

WTC7 Security Official Details Explosions Inside Building

testimony from maintenance workers there during the attacks.

listen to the clips here .
http://prisonplanet.com/audio/190607clips2.mp3

Avery and Burmas, who played the two short clips of the interview prior to further analysis and more clips to be played on their own GCN radio show later tonight at 7pm CST, further described how the individual had witnessed dead bodies in the lobby of 7 and was told by the police not to look at them.

This is vital information be cause it is in direct conflict with the official claim that no one was killed inside building 7. The 9/11 Commission report did not even mention building, yet here we have a key witness who told them he saw dead people inside the building after explosions had gutted the lower level.

What makes all this information even more explosive is the fact that this individual was interviewed by the 9/11 Commission as they conducted their so called investigation.

The fact that the building was not even mentioned in the report in light of this information thus becomes chilling and indicates that officials have lied in stating that they have not come into contact with evidence of explosive devices within the buildings.

Did you know there was a cameraman running through the lobby of WTC7 after the South Tower fell? He spoke to a man in the lobby. No bodies anywhere.

I said there was no mention of WTC7 in the 9/11 Commission Report -- wht more do you want me to say about that?

It's kind of silly to focus on that when there is a separate report dedicated solely to WTC7.

How do you feel about Omissions and Distortions?

Most of what has been omitted from the Commission Report, particularly the contents of the analysis section. Indeed, the omissions are so numerous they could fill a book, and do -- David Griffin's 339-page Omissions and Distortions. Here we list only some of the more egregious omissions, falsehoods, and contradictions in the Report. In the following we use 'Report' to refer to the entire Report including the Notes section.
Omissions

I believe that David Griffin is mostly full of . It's easy to pick out his distortions in that list.

You seem so pleased with all that took place I wish I had your peace and wisdom to share with others.

I am neither pleased nor terribly wise. I merely learned that thruthers usually aren't ultimately interested in the truth.

[ChumpDumper]

Another thing get off your high horse about lying your no saint. How can you call someone a lier if they are saying something they saw or read? To me lying is knowing you know the real truth and you lie anyway. That is like me saying there is no TRoll forum and I know there is one. Just because you point out where someone was misquoted doesn't mean they lie.

look at this screen shot and tell me how you can call me a lier after I only posted what I have read.

Fighters did not scramble from Andrews. They scrambled from Otis AFB as that was their mission for the Northeast Air Defense Sector.

You said not a single plane was scrambled.

Planes were indeed scrambled.

You lied.

[mouse]

Fighters did not scramble from Andrews. They scrambled from Otis AFB as that was their mission for the Northeast Air Defense Sector.

You said not a single plane was scrambled.

Planes were indeed scrambled.

You lied.

I meant to say from Andrews! is that better you happy?
two can play your games.
keep calling me a lier what ever keeps you away from exposing the 9/11 cover ups go for it I will be your whipping boy for the day.

I hope you have fun like some snitch in the 3rd grade that pointed out to the teacher little Johnny is cheating on his test. I hope you feel all warm and fuzzy inside you deserve it.


Looks like you still have a few more websites to correct....

[ChumpDumper]

I meant to say from Andrews! is that better you happy?
two can play your games.
keep calling me a lier what ever keeps you away from exposing the 9/11 cover ups go for it I will be your whipping boy for the day.

I hope you have fun like some snitch in the 3rd grade that pointed out to the teacher little Johnny is cheating on his test. I hope you feel all warm and fuzzy inside you deserve it.


Looks like you still have a few more websites to correct....

That website confirms what I said.

Planes were scrambled from the Northeast Air Defense Sector bases. Planes there are ready to scramble.

Trying to make a big deal out of the fact that they came from Langley and not Andrews is pretty stupid. Planes from Langley that are already prepared to scramble can be over Washington faster than planes at Andrews can be prepared to scramble.

They were supposed to come from Langley and Otis.

Not Andrews.

[mouse]

That website confirms what I said.

Planes were scrambled from the Northeast Air Defense Sector bases. Planes there are ready to scramble.

Trying to make a big deal out of the fact that they came from Langley and not Andrews is pretty stupid. Planes from Langley that are already prepared to scramble can be over Washington faster than planes at Andrews can be prepared to scramble.

They were supposed to come from Langley and Otis.

Not Andrews.

Are we going to split hairs on every point? The truth is I saw more than once (No jets Scrambled) and I posted it. You can't call people lairs because they pass on what someone else has said in a book or TV.

That is like me saying your gay just because I let you suck my . maybe your not gay just very lonely.

[ChumpDumper]

Are we going to split hairs on every point? The truth is I saw more than once (No jets Scrambled) and I posted it. You can't call people lairs because they pass on what someone else has said in a book or TV.

OK, you are propagating lies.

I find that details are very important in these discussions. Maybe you don't, but that won't stop me from addressing your lies or those of others you choose to ignorantly repeat.

That is like me saying your gay just because I let you suck my . maybe your not gay just very lonely.

It's been my experience that you ignore any arguments that someone opposing your views might present, either changing the subject or resorting to ad hominems

[PM5K]

that is like me saying your gay just because i let you suck my . Maybe your not gay just very lonely.

lol.....

[mouse]

I find that details are very important in these discussions. Maybe you don't, but that won't stop me from addressing your lies or those of others you choose to ignorantly repeat.

If your so Mr. I only report the truth my don't stink I only expose lies type of fella? then why aren't you the one bringing up the 9/11 report?

Why should I do your job?


Sep-11-2009 23:46printcomments
The 9/11 Commission Rejects own Report as Based on Government Lies
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/s...th_9-11-09.php

[PM5K]

Hey Mouse, my computer is acting funny, what do you think it is?

[mouse]

Hey Mouse, my computer is acting funny, what do you think it is?

User error

[ChumpDumper]

If your so Mr. I only report the truth my don't stink I only expose lies type of fella? then why aren't you the one bringing up the 9/11 report?

I never said it was perfect. I said it was a political do ent designed to cover various asses.

That said, the basic narrative outlined in it hasn't really been disproved by any truther anywhere. I have found that once you try to get a truther to say what he really thinks happened on 9/11, they never give an answer. Instead, they get angry, try to change the subject and/or insult me. They are allowed to "just ask questions" but they are very intolerant of the queries of others.

Why should I do your job?

This isn't my job.

Sep-11-2009 23:46printcomments
The 9/11 Commission Rejects own Report as Based on Government Lies
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/s...th_9-11-09.php

Wow, that was really in-depth. The author says it's all lies and then -- nothing.

Par for the course.

[mouse]

I never said it was perfect. I said it was a political do ent designed to cover various asses.

would you ever call them liars?

That said, the basic narrative outlined in it hasn't really been disproved by any truther anywhere. I have found that once you try to get a truther to say what he really thinks happened on 9/11, they never give an answer.

How can you get an answer when the truther is in the process of finding the truth? Do you ask your parents if your going to have a brother or a sister if their not done ing yet?

Instead, they get angry, try to change the subject and/or insult me. They are allowed to "just ask questions" but they are very intolerant of the queries of others.

You may want to back tract to old 9/11 topics in the politics forum you get just as upset and you have many insults to share.

This isn't my job.

I know your Job is to single out one poster in all of the www.

Wow, that was really in-depth. The author says it's all lies and then -- nothing.

Par for the course.

You really want me to post longer screen caps and links?

[ChumpDumper]

would you ever call them liars?

Already have.

How can you get an answer when the truther is in the process of finding the truth?

Not even a working theory? Surely you have worked out some possibility that fits the facts that are available to you. It's been eight years.

Do you ask your parents if your going to have a brother or a sister if their not done ing yet?

I can ask a writer what his book is about while he's writing it.

You may want to back tract to old 9/11 topics in the politics forum you get just as upset and you have many insults to share.

I actually say what I think happened on 9/11.

I know your Job is to single out one poster in all of the www.

That is not my job.

You really want me to post longer screen caps and links?

The ones you have posted so far suck. If you don't have the patience to read more than a couple of paragraphs, your parents will never finish ing.

[mouse]

The ones you have posted so far suck. If you don't have the patience to read more than a couple of paragraphs, your parents will never finish ing.

what was that again about getting upset and using insults you despise?

[ChumpDumper]

what was that again about getting upset and using insults you despise?

I'm far from upset. I was just repeating your metaphor.

Does that upset you?

[mouse]

Does that upset you?

What upsets me is how you can stomp on the graves of the poeple who died on 9/11 and smile about it. I have to report to probation be back later....

[ChumpDumper]

What upsets me is how you can stomp on the graves of the poeple who died on 9/11 and smile about it. I have to report to probation be back later....

I have the greatest sympathy for the victims. I don't understand why you have to resort to such personal attacks when your errors and lies are exposed and corrected. If you don't like it you should refrain from lying or repeating the lies of others in the future.

[BacktoBasics]

User error

[xellos88330]

Alot of people think that scrambling an aircraft is an easy task. It really isn't and takes massive coordination. Pilots need to be informed of what the objective/target(s) are, weapons need to be loaded and armed (I was a weapons loader in the USAF and know that it takes approx. 4-10 minutes depending on how much ordnance/munitions are needed for the mission) aircraft needs to be fueled, flight plans need to be set, skies need to be clear, weather can also play a factor as well. The military is nothing like the movies. So with everything combined scrambling an aircraft could very well take anywhere 5-10 minutes depending on the readiness of the unit. By the time NORAD was warned of the suspected hijackings it was too late no matter how close the base was. And on another note, if the fighters were there in time, it would be quite difficult to distinguish the correct aircraft considering commercial airlines fly through the area.