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is pro-Texas, anti-secession. I like being part of the US.
Having been gone for several months, I returned here in the last two weeks to folks all over the place talking gleefully about Texas 'seceding' from the U.S. No, I don't believe it literally. I'm sure it is just their way of saying they are unhappy with Washington, but these are the same folks who are going to 'tea parties' and and waving American flags all over the place. It fankly makes me angry, and I don't often get angry.
A very little bit of Texas chauvanism goes a very long way with most of us who are not native Texans, and unfortunately, most native Texans don't limit themselves to 'a little bit".
There is simply no way that you can claim to be an American patriot and simultaneously say that you are in favor of secession, figuratively or not. Members of my family have given their lives and treasure for American freedoms (including the freedoms of these fools to threaten secession) since the inception of the country. I do not consider any "Texas Firster" an American patriot. There is a serious lack of internal cohesion in their arguments.
Mostly, what I want to say is...stop yakking about it with smug faces and DO IT OR SHUT UP ABOUT IT!!!! And stop pretending you are American Patriots while you are doing it.
is pro-Texas, anti-secession. I like being part of the US.
Texas envy
wtf? I don't want Texas to secede from the Union, but with that being said, all the other 49 states are pretty much a bunch of pussies. We're not perfect, but once you get past all the inbreds everyone's pretty nice.
But I will be as belligerently pro-Texas as I want.
I'm not sure I'd condescend to secessionists figuratively, like our Governor has, but I'll be civil to them. I do meet one now and then.
It's hard to hold loving Texas too much against someone.
You can all go to . I'm going to Texas.
See, this is NOT what I'm talking about. I don't care if you like/love Texas more than any of the other states. I care if you like it more than America. I care about that a lot. I'm talking about the people who think that Texas is so much better than the UNION of the ALL the states put together that they want to pull out.
Those of you who are responding so far are mostly just being defensive about Texans. It is unneccessary and not on point.
State pride does not necessarily equal state chauvinism. State chauvinism is when you put down any other state because it is NOT Texas. State chauvinism is the tiresome, tedious, inane jingoism that asserts that anyone from anywhere else wishes they were Texans. Please.
State pride does not necessarily call for secession from the United States.
Calling for secession does, however, mean that you are saying that your state is too good for the rest of this country. That is offensive. That is even beyond chauvinism. Simultaneously wearing your American patriotism on your sleeve while 'threatening' secession from those you consider 'beneath' you is simply incoherent and insulting to others.
Any of you who start with "I don't want to secede" are not the folks I'm talking about.
And if you feel you have to respond to this with a defense of Texas pride (not chauvinism) you are evidencing an inability to separate pride and chauvinism. Every state in the nation has its defenders and people who are proud of it. Many believe their state is better than all the others. Having lived in lots of them, I've heard a lot of their arguments. I have never heard the kind of smugness in other states that I have heard here, though. I have never heard the trash talking about states other than one's own that I hear here. It is simply not Texas' finest trait. But that is merely tiresome...it is not necessarily treason. I don't know what talk of secession is if it is not treasonous.
Any more treasonous than what the beurocrats in DC are doing to this country's own cons ution?I don't know what talk of secession is if it is not treasonous.
Yeah. It probably is. I'm used to it though.That is offensive. That is even beyond chauvinism. Simultaneously wearing your American patriotism on your sleeve while 'threatening' secession from those you consider 'beneath' you is simply incoherent and insulting to others.
Probably not. That's not my main reason for loving it.It is simply not Texas' finest trait
Yeah, that's true, too. Can I plead nolo?Many believe their state is better than all the others. Having lived in lots of them, I've heard a lot of their arguments. I have never heard the kind of smugness in other states that I have heard here, though. I have never heard the trash talking about states other than one's own that I hear here.
Ambivalent about the sincerity of avowed devotees? I can understand that too.But that is merely tiresome...it is not necessarily treason. I don't know what talk of secession is if it is not treasonous.
Calling secessionists traitors is probably overkill as a rule of thumb. But you might meet one who fits the bill, someday.
Do you live in Texas, EVAY?
that says it all...Any more treasonous than what the beurocrats in DC are doing to this country's own cons ution?
I do. I live in San Antonio more than 6 months of the year. However, during my life I have lived in 8 other states. I was not born in Texas. I was born in a state other than Texas (Alabama) and left it when I was 17 years old before I started college and never lived there again. (And don't want to). Since then I have lived in Missouri, Maryland, Kentucky, Colorado, and Kansas. I now live in a state other than Texas close to half of the year. (Colorado). My family fought in the wars of Independence, the Civil War, the War of 1812, the Indian Wars, ) in the Southeast) the World Wars (I and II), the Iraq war, and the current wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. My family helped found many of the Texas cities and fought for Texas independence, however.
My family fought on both sides of the Civil War. My family's home county was the only county in Alabama to vote AGAINST secession. We tend to feel pretty strongly against it.
What are they doing that's any worse than what Bush did?
Obama and his liberal buddies in Congress have already racked up more debt this year than Bush did in all of his. And I guess you've missed what they have planned in crap & trade and the health care bill, too.
This is an interesting topic. To me the idea of any state seceding is over the top... Needless.
Perhaps the reason the idea is kinda popular in Texas is because of the state's proximity to the rest of the country. The perception among some extremists is that you've got east coast liberals in Washington and New York to the right of you, and Hollywood liberals to the left. They are controlling you with their media and are going to take your guns! paranoia like that sells in rural areas.
Maybe Texas has too many rural areas. Maybe that's your problem.
Last edited by Def Rowe; 10-03-2009 at 12:51 AM.
Actually, secession is an interesting concept. As best I remember it Texas would immediately become the 8th largest economy in the world. And it's an economy that is pretty well balanced between energy, petrochemical, medical, tech, and agriculture.
The US government (with the collusion of BOTH political parties) is simply out of control.
Spending is out of control. Our politicians only care about being re-elected and not how they are destroying the country long term and leaving our kids a mountain of debt that they will never be able to overcome.
Quite honestly, this would be a great time to bail. Join NAFTA. Have open borders with Mexico and USA. Keep a relatively low tax environment, have a fiscally responsible government and our own currency that's not linked to the dollar. Have reasonable environmental rules that really protect the environment and tell the USA to stick cap and trade up their ass.
Productive A list Americans would be swarming to Texas for the chance to live a better life in a country that is not determined to destroy it's currency and bury itself under a mountain of debt that can only be paid by continuing to increase taxes on it's citizens.
Last edited by CosmicCowboy; 10-03-2009 at 09:26 AM.
I will even take it a step further...
Have a flat income tax.
Agree to assume all social security and medicare benefits for Texas retirees...let the US "keep" their contributions to the "trust fund" LOL
Re-think welfare benefits so that they don't reward having babies that can't be financially supported by the parent. If they don't like it, give them a one time cash settlement and a plane ticket to New Jersey.
Expand work permits for mexican citizens. Get these guys registered and into the mainstream economy instead of being underground and not paying taxes...Make the permit/labor/tax laws simple to comply with and fine the out of any employer that cheats.
Have state run health clinics available for everyone. Staff them with Doctors and Nurses that got a free medical education from the State in exchange for working for 5-10 years at a reasonable salary in the clinics before going into the private sector.
I know that I personally am paying 35%+ of my income to Federal taxes, 8.125% sales taxes, and about $20,000 a year in property taxes for personal and company property.
I am confident that a fiscally responsible Texas government could do a much better job of spending my taxes than is being done now.
"flat income tax"
ah yes, the rich peoples' tax solution. How about a flat income tax WITH NO DEDUCTIBLES or LOOPHOLES? And of course the flat income tax is always less than the top tax rate, and always hits the lower brackets harder than the the top bracket, aka, regressive.
"don't reward having babies (by poor people)" eugenics
How much would TX military need to spend to match the Fed's $600B wasted on the federal military?
Rich, very comfortable people with more money than they'll ever need, and with more money than 99% of everybody else, always complain about not having enough because of TAXES!, because they're greedy bas s depending on everybody else, including the protection and subsidies of fed govt, to keep them safe and wealthy.
I'm OK with a sliding scale of flat taxes (NO deductions) where the poor (up to the poverty line) don't pay anything and the middle class pay a lower percentage than the rich. I just think that everyone should have a little skin in the game so they vote for fiscally responsible politicians, not just the politician that promises them something for nothing. I think that letting people keep more of their own money is a better plan than taking it from them and then letting a central government decide how to split the spoils. It's called giving people an incentive to work and improve their own lives instead of depending on the "government" for their sustenance.
As for the military, I really don't see much point in Texas having a military. If we felt threatened by Mexico we could just pay the US a flat fee for "protection". If we feel threatened by the US theres really nothing we can do about it...we sure can't (and don't want to) out spend them. We just need to make sure that it is in the US best interest politically not to mess with us.
Last edited by CosmicCowboy; 10-03-2009 at 11:18 AM.
True. It's a continuation. I suppose Medicare Part D was a strike for freedom against the evil socialism.
The face has changed, but the government is the same.
That does it! Cosmic Cowboy for president of TEXAS!
Are we seceding because there's a negro in the White House?
Now if you want to secede because it's apparent that our elections seem to be sham affairs and federal politicians appear to be owned by wealthy individuals and commercial and financial interests, I don't necessarily condone it, but I understand. It wasn't Obama's treasury secretary who came up with TARP. Of course, this isn't anything new. There has been a substantial anti-democratic power in control of this nation for a long time, and no, I am not referring to the Cons ution, which is all but dead today.
Also, is there really that much doubt that a McCain administration wouldn't have pursued the same general course as the current one with respect to Detroit, Wall Street, and, yes, the health care industry? If anything, McCain would likely have sought a more intrusive regulatory framework for the financial services industry.
It's amusing how some get worked up about "socialism" when it comes to redistribution down. But when it's redistribution up the food chain, then it's just good ol' fashioned American free enterprise.
Here's some good ol' cracka Texan culture (esp strong in east TX)
Texas DA tries to use illegally seized assets for own legal defense
By Muriel Kane
Friday, October 2nd, 2009 -- 10:00 pm
The American Civil Liberties Union on Friday filed a brief with the Texas Attorney General's office arguing that either the county or state must be forced to represent a county district attorney accused of illegally seizing money from mainly black motorists -- in amounts ranging from $4000 to $50,000 -- under the pretext of anti-drug forfeiture laws.
Shelby County District Attorney Lynda K. Russell is the subject of a federal lawsuit (pdf), along with the Deputy City Marshall, the mayor, and other local officials.
According to the ACLU, "Russell is accused of participating in a scheme in which authorities pull over mostly African-American motorists driving along a state highway in Tenaha, TX without cause, ask if they are carrying cash and, if so, order them to sign over the cash to the town or face felony charges of money laundering or other serious crimes."
Reports of similar cases are common throughout Texas, but legislation to tighten up the asset forfeiture laws has been stalled in the state legislature.
(how many blacks in TX legislature vs blacks as %age of state population?)
Shelby County has refused to represent Russell because she is a state employee, and the state Attorney General has also refused. Russell is therefore asking permission to use the seized money that is the subject of the lawsuit for her own defense.
If texas were to secede we'd just get invaded or our oil
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