I was watching NBA TV and they had the lakers training camp and they been showing it for a couple days now. On the program they said the laker wanna run a BIG lineup (not there starting line up bt something there gna try)
pg-kobe
sg-ron ron
sf-odom
pf-pau
c-bynum
how do u guys think the spurs would counter this lineup?
PG-Manu
SG- ( Mason, Bogans, Finley)
SF- Jefferson
PF-Tim
C-Dyess or Ratliff
I'd love to include Parker but he would ultimately have to guard Kobe or Artest on the defensive end. That would be a nightmare especially if they put Tony on the block.
That lineup of the Lakers would be a tough matchup for any team.
If we turned Finley/ Bonner or Mason/ Bonner into Nocioni down the road we could match up with that line up a lot better.
PG- Manu
SG- Jefferson
SF- Nocioni
PF-Tim
C- Dyess or Ratliff
same thing i wuz thinking that lineup is pretty nasty bt i knw it sounds kinda dumb rite nw bt maybe just maybe if haislip can bring sum D to the spurs id like him on odom bt we have yet to see wat he can do bt if hes anything like the clips ive seen lol id put
manu
jefferson
haislip
TD
ratliff
bt thats only if haislip can bring sumthing
Pop would based on past history go small and try quick them to death - Duncan, Manu, Parker, Jefferson and Hill for a least part of the time.
so u think pop would continually change the lineup with all those guys on da court?
If the Lakers put that lineup out there, give Tony Parker the ball and let him go to work.
Finley
Finley
Finley
Finley
Finley
Work what? He'd just run into three seven footers inside and have to shoot jumpers over Kobe Bryant. Meanwhile TP gets posted up all day by Kobe or Ron.
thats what i was thinking. if they put parker out there,kobe or ron would just manhandle TP for a easy layup every single play
3 seven footers?
I don't think anyone in that lineup is keeping up with Parker. It would be important for Parker (and SA) to make Kobe work on the defensive end, and exploit that matchup as much as possible.
As far as the other way around, Parker would have trouble.
Odom can't play SF anymore, he doesn't have any quickness on the perimeter at all anymore..that lineup wouldn't have any spacing for the Lakers on offense..on defense, they'd be tough inside, but they would be allowing a lot of good perimeter shots, which happens in their system either way..
It would also take away from their depth, since their bench is pretty bad without Odom there..this also makes Bynum a lot less effective..
I really don't see why the Lakers would do this for a significant amount of time..the only thing good about it is how it looks on paper IMO..
Hill (Kobe)
Jefferson (Ron)
Haislip (Odom)
McDyess (Gasol)
Tim (Bynum)
spurs have a big lineup of their own. ginboili, bogans, jefferson, duncan, and mcdyess would do quite well. the addition of jefferson actually provides the spurs with someone to guard more athletic power forwards. iirc, jefferson is a pretty good post defender and he is 6'8 with a 7 feet wingspan. if he doesn't work out, haislip might be able to play some 3 against odom.
I'd love to see that lineup scramble to chase Parker around, and all the dunks the Spurs would get as a result.
Lakers would win by at least 20 if Pop fielded that lineup for very long.
Artest needs to play a lot of minutes, and above all, do what he does best: chuck a lot of ill advised shots... I'll be more worried about matchups when he's sitting on the bench...
Pop isn't stupid enough to actually assign a specific matchup priority for Lamar Odom..I don't know where the myth came from that Odom is a mismatch against the Spurs, he really isn't..he's never had significant games against us..he shot 40% in the playoff series in 2008 and averaged almost 3 turnovers, and this was playing a lot of matchups against Oberto..
he can't create offense for himself or for others..he's a good player because he can rebound and defends well, but he's not a guy you plan for at all IMO..
both lineups will never happen
jus reportin wat they said
Why would Pop respond to that line up by taking out the Spurs biggest matchup advantage in Parker. Parker would get into the lane every single trip up the floor, then who helps? If Bynum comes, McDyess is money from anywhere within 18 feet, if Pau comes, Duncan gets a dunk or a layin, or your leave Jefferson or Manu open for 3.
If Kobe takes Parker to the post, you double off Artest and Odom and let them jack 20 footers all night long - Artest needs to initiate the offense to really hurt you, which if it happens regularly is a good thing for the opposition - the less opportunities for Kobe and Pau to create, the better.
That lineup looks nice on paper, but i dont think you will see it against the Spurs. Maybe the Celtics or Cavs - but then do you really want Artest playing off Kobe and Pau and making him a jump shooter?
Going BIG for the Lakers is a gimmick, just like going smalll for the Spurs is. Lakers could have just as easily done it last year, right? I think they do not go to gimmick lineups because it would not work over significant minutes for various reasons.
The good point-forwards have been so venerated historically because they are rare. Having the best passing and fastest player (pg) on the court against a taller, slower opponent has been proven to be a problem for the latter that is not worth the advantage in height you get from having two SG/sf and no pg's.
This is why the PG position still exists in the NBA. Don't you people think every team would be fielding all 6'6 and taller players otherwise? KOBE IS NO POINT GUARD.
that's true. lakers had every opportunity to play big last season.
It doesn't matter. They will never actually use it in a game.
With a Big lineup like that, I think Phil's come up with it specifically to counter the Spurs.
Fact is, even if the Lakers play a real point guard (Derek Fisher/Jordan Farmar), they're still going to get torched by Tony Parker. Lakers never had anybody to stop Tony in the first place.
What's Tony scored on Fisher and Farmar? 30, 40 points per game?So they're not losing any defense by putting in a Big Lineup.
So this Big Lineup I think turns the tables and now it's Pop that has to adjust to the matchup. With Kobe as PG, he'd just back off of Tony and let him take 3's all day long. On offense, he'd be posting up Tony for 5-10 foot shots.
Lakers would be getting 5-10 foot shots by one of the best players in the game while giving up wide open 3's to Tony; thereby negating his best asset...speed.
It's a masterful move, and the trap for Pop would be to take out his 2nd/3rd best player just to matchup.
Last edited by Allanon; 10-03-2009 at 09:10 PM.
all very good points i guess i didnt think to much about the whole thing bt when they said dat i guess all i looked it wuz the hype the lakers team has lol
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