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That's fine, but your lifestyle can alter your genes sometimes.
and thus can be passed on to off-spring. and there are other articles that show DNA altering in a life cycle.
You seem to misunderstand what the article is stating. At no point does it say the DNA changes or that any changes are inheritable.
That's fine, but your lifestyle can alter your genes sometimes.
and thus can be passed on to off-spring. and there are other articles that show DNA altering in a life cycle.
MH, none of those articles address the point of contention.
Bad Eating Habits Can Alter DNA
http://www.newsmax.com/health/eating...19/172911.html
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Show me proof. Nothing you've linked has addressed this issues. Mutations have always happened and that's nothing new. But mutations are random and it is extremely rate for them to be beneficial or even shown to have an effect. You're alleging that physical fitness can alter the genetics of an individual to a beneficial point and that those changes can then be passed on to offspring.
Show me proof of that.
You said
I have shown that you are incorrect. An animal's genes will not always be the same and will not always go on to determine what genes it's offspring will have.
I have also shown that an animal CAN improve or deteriorate it's genes in it's lifetime and pass it to it's offspring.
so you admit that a human can alter it's genes by it's own lifestyle?
If you admit that, then you have now agreed with my initial point that black slaves lifestyle created stronger off-spring
I don't know how else to tell you this, but you've done no such thing.
I had half an intuition this conversation would lead to Lamarckian inheritance.
lol
No.
Even if I had admitted the above point, it wouldnt' validate your 2nd - much different point. Do you see why?If you admit that, then you have now agreed with my initial point that black slaves lifestyle created stronger off-spring
Epigenetic modification adds on to or modifies genetic behavior.
Your lifestyle can influence these changes.
2+2
(i'm not talking about DNA alteration when it pertains to epigenetic modification, use other links if you want DNA alteration)
MH just asserted those articles prove Lamarckism as actually correct.
Lifestyle can alter gene activity, lead to insulin resistance
Your lifestyle can alter gene activity, gene expression. This means that the way your genes WORK, are now CHANGED, because of your lifestyle.
I have provided enough links to show LIFESTYLE can affect gene expression/activity and even cause epigenetic modification.
Do you realize what this means?
Inherited Variation in Gene Expression
Variation in gene expression cons utes an important source of biological variability within and between populations that is likely to contribute significantly to phenotypic diversity.
"We conclude by discussing the evolution of gene expression levels..."
See, when you said:
I thought you were talking about DNA.
And when you said:
I thought you were talking about DNA and the heritability of acquired characteristics.
Keyword here: Expression. Gene Expression and whether or not something is inheritable are two completely different things.
I don't think the subject of whether or not lifestyle can change gene expression was ever brought up here as a point of contention.
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don't be a smart ass. we were doing fine being civil.
I specifically said
(i'm not talking about DNA alteration when it pertains to epigenetic modification, use other links if you want DNA alteration)
If you want DNA alteration, USE THE OTHER LINKS I PROVIDED. Don't point to epigenetic modification and claim there is no DNA alteration there. I wasn't using that link for DNA alteration. I provided other links for that purpose.
ok, you guys are making me search the internet too much.
If you don't agree, that's fine with me. We will agree to disagree then. I already told you what I believe.
DNA alteration is fairly unimportant in this discussion unless it can be proven to be inheritable. If skeletal DNA is modified, it isn't inheritable.
You're absolutely en led to believe what you'd like. No one can stop you from believing that. But when you make assertions you should be able to prove them. The reason you're having to search to hard is because the assertion you made is based on incorrect information.
No, it's correct. I've provided enough evidence that genetic alteration/modification can be triggered by lifestyle, and that it can be passed onto off-spring.
You're en led to disagree, obviously.
and winehole will disagree with the slave breeding.
Apparently neither does the entirety of the genetics community since Lamarckism isn't an accepted theory and hasn't been for quite some time.
Don't really know what else to tell you.
You've provided zero evidence that anything can be passed onto offspring. That is the point.
I did
Evidence that dietary factors might influence epigenetic gene control in diabetes had been suggested previously by a generational study in humans, which showed that the nutritional status of the grandparent is closely linked to an increased risk of diabetes-associated mortality in their grandkids. In mice, researchers have demonstrated the crossgenerational effects of nutrition on DNA methylation status directly.
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