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    I am. He is an opinion show but he doesn't lie. If he had lied, please post it. All the things he does is based on his facts and his small staff. The MSM's attempts to discredit him are ridiculous. The basic argument about GB by the libs include him being overweight, cries, he didn't graduate from a college, and is eccentric. How bout focusing on what he says and debate that.
    What has GB said that is not legit?
    " John Holdren, director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, "has proposed forcing abortions and putting sterilants in the drinking water to control population."
    Glenn Beck on Wednesday, July 22nd, 2009 in his TV program "

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...oldren-propos/

    As evidence that the country is closer to socialist than capitalist these days, radio and talk show host Glenn Beck recently made this claim about John Holdren, director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy:

    "I mean, we've got czars now," Beck said during his July 22, 2009, program. "Czars like John Holdren, who has proposed forcing abortions and putting sterilants in the drinking water to control population."

    Political figures like Holdren, who are little-known by most Americans, make easy targets. And Beck's biting quick hit on Holdren provides a healthy enough dose of outrage on which to hang his argument.

    But is it true?

    Beck's allegation has its roots in a book Holdren co-authored with Paul and Annie Ehrlich more than three decades ago called Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment .

    Conservative bloggers have quoted the book extensively, and often out of context, to make the point that Holdren has advocated positions such as the ones Beck stated.

    We obtained the book to see exactly what Holdren, then a young man, wrote (or co-wrote). The book is just over 1,000 pages, and it clearly makes that case that an explosion in population presented a grave crisis. Although it is a textbook, the authors don't shy away from presenting a point of view. As the preface states, "We have tried throughout the book to state clearly where we stand on various matters of controversy."

    In a section on "Involuntary Fertility Control," Holdren and the other authors discuss various "coercive" means of population control — including putting sterilants in the drinking water. But they stop well short of advocating such measures.

    Here's a few excerpts:

    "The third approach to population limitation is that of involuntary fertility control. Several coercive proposals deserve discussion, mainly because some countries may ultimately have to resort to them unless current trends in birth rates are rapidly reversed by other means. ...

    "Adding a sterilant to drinking water or staple foods is a suggestion that seems to horrify people more than most proposals for involuntary fertility control. Indeed, this would pose some very difficult political, legal, and social questions, to say nothing of the technical problems. No such sterilant exists today, nor does one appear to be under development. To be acceptable, such a substance would have to meet some rather stiff requirements: it must be uniformly effective, despite widely varying doses received by individuals, and despite varying degrees of fertility and sensitivity among individuals; it must be free of dangerous or unpleasant side effects; and it must have no effect on members of the opposite sex, children, old people, pets, or livestock. ...

    "Again, there is no sign of such an agent on the horizon. And the risk of serious, unforeseen side effects would, in our opinion, militate against the use of any such agent, even though this plan has the advantage of avoiding the need for socioeconomic pressures that might tend to discriminate against particular groups or penalize children."

    Later, the authors conclude, "Most of the population control measures beyond family planning discussed above have never been tried. Some are as yet technically impossible and others are and probably will remain unacceptable to most societies (although, of course, the potential effectiveness of those least acceptable measures may be great).

    "Compulsory control of family size is an unpalatable idea, but the alternatives may be much more horrifying. As those alternatives become clearer to an increasing number of people in the 1980s, they may begin demanding such control. A far better choice, in our view, is to expand the use of milder methods of influencing family size preferences, while redoubling efforts to ensure that the means of birth control, including abortion and sterilization, are accessible to every human being on Earth within the shortest possible time. If effective action is taken promptly against population growth, perhaps the need for the more extreme involuntary or repressive measures can be averted in most countries."

    And here's the part that some have interpreted as Holdren advocating for forced abortions.

    “To date, there has been no serious attempt in Western countries to use laws to control excessive population growth, although there exists ample authority under which population growth could be regulated. For example, under the United States Cons ution, effective population-control programs could be enacted under the clauses that empower Congress to appropriate funds to provide for the general welfare and to regulate commerce, or under the equal-protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Such laws cons utionally could be very broad. Indeed, it has been concluded that compulsory population-control laws, even including laws requiring compulsory abortion, could be sustained under the existing Cons ution if the population crisis became sufficiently severe to endanger the society. Few today consider the situation in the United States serious enough to justify compulsion, however."

    This comes in a section discussing population law. The authors argue that compulsory abortions could potentially be allowed under U.S. law "if the population crisis became sufficiently severe to endanger the society." Again, that's a far cry from advocating or proposing such a position.

    In the book, the authors certainly advocate making abortions readily accessible for women who want to get them. But they never advocate forced abortions. Big difference.

    In response to the comments from Beck and others, Holdren's office issued this statement: "The quotations used to suggest that Dr. Holdren supports coercive approaches to limiting population growth were taken from a 1977 college textbook on environmental science and policy, of which he was the third author. The quoted material was from a section of the book that described different possible approaches to limiting population growth and then concluded that the authors’ own preference was to employ the noncoercive approaches before the environmental and social impacts of overpopulation led desperate societies to employ coercive ones. Dr. Holdren has never been an advocate of compulsory abortions or other repressive means of population limitation."

    Holdren's office also provided a statement from Annie and Paul Ehrlich, the co-authors: "We have been shocked at the serious mischaracterization of our views and those of John Holdren in blog posts based on misreadings of our jointly-authored 1000-page 1977 textbook, ECOSCIENCE. We were not then, never have been, and are not now 'advocates' of the Draconian measures for population limitation described — but not recommended — in the book's 60-plus small-type pages cataloging the full spectrum of population policies that, at the time, had either been tried in some country or analyzed by some commentator.

    Under questioning by Sen. David Vitter, R-La., during his Senate confirmation hearing, Holdren said he "no longer thinks it's productive to focus on optimum population for the United States. ... I think the key thing today is that we need to work to improve the conditions that all of our citizens face economically, environmentally, and in other respects. And we need to aim for something that I have for years been calling 'sustainable prosperity.'"

    Vitter continued with his line of question, asking directly, "Do you think determining optimal population is a proper role of government?"

    Said Holdren: "No, senator, I do not. ... I think the proper role of government is to develop and deploy the policies with respect to economy, environment, security, that will ensure the well-being of the citizens we have."

    But with regard to Beck's claim that Holdren "has proposed forcing abortions and putting sterilants in the drinking water to control population," the text of the book clearly does not support that. We think a thorough reading shows that these were ideas presented as approaches that had been discussed. They were not posed as suggestions or proposals. In fact, the authors make clear that they did not support coercive means of population control. Certainly, nowhere in the book do the authors advocate for forced abortions.

    Some have argued that Holdren's view of the imminent and grave global dangers posed by overpopulation should provide pause, given Holdren's current view that global warming now presents imminent and grave global dangers. That's a matter for reasoned debate.

    But in seeking to score points for a political argument, Beck seriously mischaracterizes Holdren's positions. Holdren didn't advocate those ideas then. And, when asked at a Senate confirmation hearing, Holdren said he did not support them now. We think it's irresponsible to pluck a few lines from a 1,000-page, 30-year-old textbook, and then present them out of context to dismiss Holdren's long and distinguished career. And we rate Beck's claim Pants on Fire!

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    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...1235203AAgK2ig

    He said that no other President had never been sworn into office without a Bible. He said he 'checked'.
    He either did not check or checked up his arsegraped butt because he's lying. John Qunicy Adams used a law book. Franklin Pierce didn't even swear. He affirmed. Teddy Roosevelt used no Bible. Several Presidents kissed a Bible but did not swear on one.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con…
    http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/pihtml/pinot…

    Beck lie.

    Glenn Beck lied when he said recently that $1.4 million of stimulus momey was used to repair a door at Dyess AFB. The doors repaired were aircraft hangar doors and the cost was not $1.4 million.
    The cost was $246000 out of $1.4 million in repairs funding.

    Beck lie.

    Of course, we all know about him being called out as a liar by Whoopi and Barbara Walters.

    I only did a few minutes' reserach, as I said...but it's quite clear that Beck is exposed as a liar.

    My favourite though, is Beck going on about how compassionate he'd become after being failed by the expensive private health system last year when he got his dangling arsegrapes removed, said he was all suicidal...boo hoo...and only a couple of weeks ago screamed like an effete banshee at a woman on his radio show.

    Edit: I was having such fun looking at what a liar Glenn Beck is I thought I'd find some more:

    In June Beck lied when he said that the US was the ONLY country that had a natural birthright provision. Here is the list of other countries that do:
    http://www.numbersusa.com/content/learn/…

    Ooopsie doodle, Beck lie.

    Glenn Beck lied when he said that the director of White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, "has proposed forcing abortions and putting sterilants in the drinking water to control population."
    This one is so good I'll just give you the link:
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/…

    Hey, if I find any more I'll let you know. I'll bet there are PLENTY. I don't give a flatflying if the guy is passionate, he has a responsibility to check facts and make sure that the information he is disseminating is not poisoning people's minds. Look at the goofballs who think he's a Stay-Puft saint. The guy is a screaming ******* nutcase.

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    why does a talking head deserve this much attention. Isn't there more pressing issues than a shock jock
    That's a good question for the Obamabots. Why do they spend so much time obsessing about what Glen Beck is up to?

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    That's a good question for the Obamabots. Why do they spend so much time obsessing about what Glen Beck is up to?
    because you prop guys like this up dummy...

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    That's a good question for the Obamabots. Why do they spend so much time obsessing about what Glen Beck is up to?
    LMAO because there are so many tools who go around saying what Beck says is gospel. Just today there was another letter to the editor in the local daily saying how biased MSNBC was and thank God for Beck because everything he says is the literal truth.

    I have no problem with anyone saying MSNBC is liberally slanted, but Beck is just as badly slanted conservatively.

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    because you prop guys like this up dummy...
    When have I ever propped up Glen Beck? I don't watch or listen to him. Yet it feels like I do since people like yourself keep this forum updated on his every move.

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    When have I ever propped up Glen Beck? I don't watch or listen to him. Yet it feels like I do since people like yourself keep this forum updated on his every move.
    dummy accusation rescinded..

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    I consider myself as right leaning and conservative as anyone in DC, and the ONLY REASON I know about the happenings in conservative talk radio and television is becuase of the obsession the left leaning folks like Dan and GGA have on this forum.

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    Oh yeah he's no journalist but tell me who is Dan "who needs reliable sources"rather, walter"we can't win this" cronkite ,Maybe the N.Y. Times vast staff of plagerists, Or perhaps the see no evil(Rev. Who) let's get Obama elected Media of America, or the "journalist who get shivers running up and down his legs at the sound of Obama" voice, or george "you my goood aint cha" stephenopilus.The American legit Media is irrelevant, their credibility is tanked below lawyers,politicains, and syphlitic ridden streetwalkers in American opinion polls.

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    so on you reasoning the only way to beat bias is to beat them at their own game and go super biased regardless of truth?

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    so on you reasoning the only way to beat bias is to beat them at their own game and go super biased regardless of truth?
    Yep.

    However, I would think there is nothing that goes less well together with the intention of asserting the good cause than subterfuge, deceit and deception. If one could take only this much for granted, then the battle for speculative reason...would have been concluded long ago, or would soon come to an end. Thus, the purity of a cause often stands in inverse proportion to its truth.

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    " John Holdren, director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, "has proposed forcing abortions and putting sterilants in the drinking water to control population."
    Glenn Beck on Wednesday, July 22nd, 2009 in his TV program "

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...oldren-propos/

    As evidence that the country is closer to socialist than capitalist these days, radio and talk show host Glenn Beck recently made this claim about John Holdren, director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy:

    "I mean, we've got czars now," Beck said during his July 22, 2009, program. "Czars like John Holdren, who has proposed forcing abortions and putting sterilants in the drinking water to control population."

    Political figures like Holdren, who are little-known by most Americans, make easy targets. And Beck's biting quick hit on Holdren provides a healthy enough dose of outrage on which to hang his argument.

    But is it true?

    Beck's allegation has its roots in a book Holdren co-authored with Paul and Annie Ehrlich more than three decades ago called Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment .

    Conservative bloggers have quoted the book extensively, and often out of context, to make the point that Holdren has advocated positions such as the ones Beck stated.

    We obtained the book to see exactly what Holdren, then a young man, wrote (or co-wrote). The book is just over 1,000 pages, and it clearly makes that case that an explosion in population presented a grave crisis. Although it is a textbook, the authors don't shy away from presenting a point of view. As the preface states, "We have tried throughout the book to state clearly where we stand on various matters of controversy."

    In a section on "Involuntary Fertility Control," Holdren and the other authors discuss various "coercive" means of population control — including putting sterilants in the drinking water. But they stop well short of advocating such measures.

    Here's a few excerpts:

    "The third approach to population limitation is that of involuntary fertility control. Several coercive proposals deserve discussion, mainly because some countries may ultimately have to resort to them unless current trends in birth rates are rapidly reversed by other means. ...

    "Adding a sterilant to drinking water or staple foods is a suggestion that seems to horrify people more than most proposals for involuntary fertility control. Indeed, this would pose some very difficult political, legal, and social questions, to say nothing of the technical problems. No such sterilant exists today, nor does one appear to be under development. To be acceptable, such a substance would have to meet some rather stiff requirements: it must be uniformly effective, despite widely varying doses received by individuals, and despite varying degrees of fertility and sensitivity among individuals; it must be free of dangerous or unpleasant side effects; and it must have no effect on members of the opposite sex, children, old people, pets, or livestock. ...

    "Again, there is no sign of such an agent on the horizon. And the risk of serious, unforeseen side effects would, in our opinion, militate against the use of any such agent, even though this plan has the advantage of avoiding the need for socioeconomic pressures that might tend to discriminate against particular groups or penalize children."

    Later, the authors conclude, "Most of the population control measures beyond family planning discussed above have never been tried. Some are as yet technically impossible and others are and probably will remain unacceptable to most societies (although, of course, the potential effectiveness of those least acceptable measures may be great).

    "Compulsory control of family size is an unpalatable idea, but the alternatives may be much more horrifying. As those alternatives become clearer to an increasing number of people in the 1980s, they may begin demanding such control. A far better choice, in our view, is to expand the use of milder methods of influencing family size preferences, while redoubling efforts to ensure that the means of birth control, including abortion and sterilization, are accessible to every human being on Earth within the shortest possible time. If effective action is taken promptly against population growth, perhaps the need for the more extreme involuntary or repressive measures can be averted in most countries."

    And here's the part that some have interpreted as Holdren advocating for forced abortions.

    “To date, there has been no serious attempt in Western countries to use laws to control excessive population growth, although there exists ample authority under which population growth could be regulated. For example, under the United States Cons ution, effective population-control programs could be enacted under the clauses that empower Congress to appropriate funds to provide for the general welfare and to regulate commerce, or under the equal-protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Such laws cons utionally could be very broad. Indeed, it has been concluded that compulsory population-control laws, even including laws requiring compulsory abortion, could be sustained under the existing Cons ution if the population crisis became sufficiently severe to endanger the society. Few today consider the situation in the United States serious enough to justify compulsion, however."

    This comes in a section discussing population law. The authors argue that compulsory abortions could potentially be allowed under U.S. law "if the population crisis became sufficiently severe to endanger the society." Again, that's a far cry from advocating or proposing such a position.

    In the book, the authors certainly advocate making abortions readily accessible for women who want to get them. But they never advocate forced abortions. Big difference.

    In response to the comments from Beck and others, Holdren's office issued this statement: "The quotations used to suggest that Dr. Holdren supports coercive approaches to limiting population growth were taken from a 1977 college textbook on environmental science and policy, of which he was the third author. The quoted material was from a section of the book that described different possible approaches to limiting population growth and then concluded that the authors’ own preference was to employ the noncoercive approaches before the environmental and social impacts of overpopulation led desperate societies to employ coercive ones. Dr. Holdren has never been an advocate of compulsory abortions or other repressive means of population limitation."

    Holdren's office also provided a statement from Annie and Paul Ehrlich, the co-authors: "We have been shocked at the serious mischaracterization of our views and those of John Holdren in blog posts based on misreadings of our jointly-authored 1000-page 1977 textbook, ECOSCIENCE. We were not then, never have been, and are not now 'advocates' of the Draconian measures for population limitation described — but not recommended — in the book's 60-plus small-type pages cataloging the full spectrum of population policies that, at the time, had either been tried in some country or analyzed by some commentator.

    Under questioning by Sen. David Vitter, R-La., during his Senate confirmation hearing, Holdren said he "no longer thinks it's productive to focus on optimum population for the United States. ... I think the key thing today is that we need to work to improve the conditions that all of our citizens face economically, environmentally, and in other respects. And we need to aim for something that I have for years been calling 'sustainable prosperity.'"

    Vitter continued with his line of question, asking directly, "Do you think determining optimal population is a proper role of government?"

    Said Holdren: "No, senator, I do not. ... I think the proper role of government is to develop and deploy the policies with respect to economy, environment, security, that will ensure the well-being of the citizens we have."

    But with regard to Beck's claim that Holdren "has proposed forcing abortions and putting sterilants in the drinking water to control population," the text of the book clearly does not support that. We think a thorough reading shows that these were ideas presented as approaches that had been discussed. They were not posed as suggestions or proposals. In fact, the authors make clear that they did not support coercive means of population control. Certainly, nowhere in the book do the authors advocate for forced abortions.

    Some have argued that Holdren's view of the imminent and grave global dangers posed by overpopulation should provide pause, given Holdren's current view that global warming now presents imminent and grave global dangers. That's a matter for reasoned debate.

    But in seeking to score points for a political argument, Beck seriously mischaracterizes Holdren's positions. Holdren didn't advocate those ideas then. And, when asked at a Senate confirmation hearing, Holdren said he did not support them now. We think it's irresponsible to pluck a few lines from a 1,000-page, 30-year-old textbook, and then present them out of context to dismiss Holdren's long and distinguished career. And we rate Beck's claim Pants on Fire!
    I remember seeing the politifact guy on morning joe in the last election timeframe and noticed they weren't being truthful in rating truth. Their name is a marketing tool. it is not a non-profit unbiased group. It's just MSM in disguise.
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblog...mmitment_1.asp
    This doesn't prove Beck lied about holdren.

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    Beck has been a shock jock for many years and still does stand up comedy do the math.

    He pisses poeple off and makes millions of dollars doing it what better job is their?

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    Beck has been a shock jock for many years and still does stand up comedy do the math.

    He pisses poeple off and makes millions of dollars doing it what better job is their?

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    Beck is an average guy. He isn't apart of the insider conserrvative or dc crowds. He doesn't follow party loyalty. He goes by his principles. I respect that and enjoy his show. He is a shock rjock if it is because he reports news about big govt. take over,

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    I remember seeing the politifact guy on morning joe in the last election timeframe and noticed they weren't being truthful in rating truth. Their name is a marketing tool. it is not a non-profit unbiased group. It's just MSM in disguise.
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblog...mmitment_1.asp
    This doesn't prove Beck lied about holdren.
    Where is the proof supporting Beck, then?

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    Where is the proof supporting Beck, then?
    All i can do is google. it's not like i have the resources like the msm to send over 500 reporters to josh h's hometown, to actually look into him. JH doesn't even have a wiki page. this is what GB has on his website about Holdren
    24. Science Czar - John Holdren

    le: Assistant to the President for Science and Technology, Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, and Co-Chair of the President’s Council of Advisers on Science and Technology
    Salary: unknown
    Reports to: President Obama
    Appointed: December 2008
    Confirmed by Senate: March 19, 2009
    Agency or department that might have handled similar issues: Energy
    • Top adviser to Obama on science and technology, issues that are increasingly relevant to other issues such as homeland security, energy and environmentalism
    • Teresa and John Heinz Professor of Environmental Policy and Director, Program in Science, Technology, and Public Policy at Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government (1996-2009); Harvard University Professor of Environmental Science and Public Policy (1996-2009); University of California, Berkeley Professor of Energy and Resources Emeritus (1996 to present)
    • Studied aerospace engineering and plasma physics at the Massachusetts Ins ute of Technology — where he earned his BS and MS — and Stanford University, where he received his doctorate in 1970
    • Is an outspoken advocate of the need to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and believes the United States should sign the Comprehensive Nuclear Test-Ban Treaty.
    • In a 2008 New York Times op-ed, Holdren called climate change skeptics “dangerous” members of a “denier fringe.”
    • In 1971, co-authored a paper in Global Ecology suggesting "some form of ecocatastrophe, if not thermonuclear war, seems almost certain to overtake us before the end of the century."
    • Some conservative media outlets have called attention to a book Holdren co-authored in 1977 led Ecoscience: Population, Resources, and Environment. The book reportedly includes this statement: "population-control laws, even including laws requiring compulsory abortion, could be sustained under the existing Cons ution." Holdren's office says he "does not now and never has been an advocate of compulsory abortions or other repressive measures to limit fertility."
    http://www.glennbeck.com/content/art...cle/198/29391/

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    So your proof supporting Beck is Beck's own website, which only repeats innuendo.

    googlefail

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    So your proof supporting Beck is Beck's own website, which only repeats innuendo.

    googlefail
    unlike mediamatters, dailykos, cnn, msnbc, and soro's
    other outlets GB cites his sources. all u had to do was look at what i posted. thank you for reminding me why i don't respond to you.

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    thank you for reminding me why i don't respond to you.

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    unlike mediamatters, dailykos, cnn, msnbc, and soro's
    other outlets GB cites his sources. all u had to do was look at what i posted. thank you for reminding me why i don't respond to you.
    Politifact cited the actual book. All you had to do was look at what they posted. You couldn't say anything about that and decided to attack the St. Petersburg Times.

    If you have anything that directly contradicts the Politifact article on Holdren, post it.

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    o All i can do is google. it's not like i have the resources like the msm to send over 500 reporters to josh h's hometown, to actually look into him. JH doesn't even have a wiki page. this is what GB has on his website about Holdren
    24. Science Czar - John Holdren

    le: Assistant to the President for Science and Technology, Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, and Co-Chair of the President’s Council of Advisers on Science and Technology
    Salary: unknown
    Reports to: President Obama
    Appointed: December 2008
    Confirmed by Senate: March 19, 2009
    Agency or department that might have handled similar issues: Energy
    • Top adviser to Obama on science and technology, issues that are increasingly relevant to other issues such as homeland security, energy and environmentalism
    • Teresa and John Heinz Professor of Environmental Policy and Director, Program in Science, Technology, and Public Policy at Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government (1996-2009); Harvard University Professor of Environmental Science and Public Policy (1996-2009); University of California, Berkeley Professor of Energy and Resources Emeritus (1996 to present)
    • Studied aerospace engineering and plasma physics at the Massachusetts Ins ute of Technology — where he earned his BS and MS — and Stanford University, where he received his doctorate in 1970
    • Is an outspoken advocate of the need to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and believes the United States should sign the Comprehensive Nuclear Test-Ban Treaty.
    • In a 2008 New York Times op-ed, Holdren called climate change skeptics “dangerous” members of a “denier fringe.”
    • In 1971, co-authored a paper in Global Ecology suggesting "some form of ecocatastrophe, if not thermonuclear war, seems almost certain to overtake us before the end of the century."
    • Some conservative media outlets have called attention to a book Holdren co-authored in 1977 led Ecoscience: Population, Resources, and Environment. The book reportedly includes this statement: "population-control laws, even including laws requiring compulsory abortion, could be sustained under the existing Cons ution." Holdren's office says he "does not now and never has been an advocate of compulsory abortions or other repressive measures to limit fertility."
    http://www.glennbeck.com/content/art...cle/198/29391/
    unlike mediamatters, dailykos, cnn, msnbc, and soro's
    other outlets GB cites his sources. all u had to do was look at what i posted. thank you for reminding me why i don't respond to you.
    There is no source cited anywhere on this page. All it says is "some conservative media outlets."

    citationfail

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    unlike mediamatters, dailykos, cnn, msnbc, and soro's
    other outlets GB cites his sources. all u had to do was look at what i posted. thank you for reminding me why i don't respond to you.
    Now you're begining to piss me off. Media Matters posts their sources..stop talking about them because all you're doing is repeating what you've heard about them..

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    Good job keeping Chump busy in this topic. I needed a break in the 9/11 topic.

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    Now you're begining to piss me off. Media Matters posts their sources..stop talking about them because all you're doing is repeating what you've heard about them..
    Everytime they put something out of context from someone I like (Rush, Bill O, GB, Hannity)and turn them into something racist, i find it repulsing. Maybe they do cite it but they put it out of context. It's enough times for it to be more like their business model than a few exceptions.

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