Cuban: Happy Lakers Got Artest

[Culburn369]

Not really. Every ballplayer's career has ups and downs. Few are able to contribute at the championship level to the degree Rodman did. That's not to say he didn't have significant problems and downfalls. His behavior in a Spurs uniform was inexcusable. But so was Bob Hill's coaching - he'll never coach in the big leagues again.

I gather that your rather un-nuanced position is that Rodman is irredeemably bad.
I don't think so - if that was the case Chuck Daly and Phil Jackson wouldn't have made use of his at times incredible passion and compe ive intensity.

It's a slippery slope with Rodman and his type. You end up selling your soul for a ring or a chance at a ring with his type (i.e. Artest). So, yes, Rodman is irredeemably bad unless he wanted to be a of a ballplayer. You & I didn't get that. Chicago & Detroit got it.

[TheMACHINE]

i like our chances this year especially when other teams are "hoping" that our team chemistry blows up to even have a chance at a le.

LOL!

[hater]

LOL sensitive insefure lakerfans

Cuban messing with them

[IronMexican]

I'm closin' in on 3,000 hits, Jazzy. I feel like Clemente!

I remember when you had like 200 posts, and I said "This dude is weird". Now I just say "There goes that crazy ass Culburn"

[Culburn369]

I remember when you had like 200 posts, and I said "This dude is weird". Now I just say "There goes that crazy ass Culburn"

I'd have 3,000 by now if they'd hadn't a axed my original [Culburn thread] lodged by BUMP. That was my pride & joy.

[jazzypimp]

I'd have 3,000 by now if they'd hadn't a axed my original [Culburn thread] lodged by BUMP. That was my pride & joy.

those Culburn useless threads!!!

[Culburn369]

those Culburn useless threads!!!

Yer just jealous over my writing a en.

[jazzypimp]

Yer just jealous over my writing a en.

I will make you a deal. I will make a Culburn specific thread for you to place all your writings if you will keep your asinine poetic writings in that thread and not spam the other ones?? Souuuuunnnddd gggooodd?

[Culburn369]

I will make you a deal. I will make a Culburn specific thread for you to place all your writings if you will keep your asinine poetic writings in that thread and not spam the other ones?? Souuuuunnnddd gggooodd?

That wouldn't be right, Jazzy. I never solicited BUMP to lodge my thread. It was a pure and spur of the moment event that came from his heart. I'd feel dirty writing my on a coerced thread like you're proposing. No thanks.

[jazzypimp]

That wouldn't be right, Jazzy. I never solicited BUMP to lodge my thread. It was a pure and spur of the moment event that came from his heart. I'd feel dirty writing my on a coerced thread like you're proposing. No thanks.

Sometimes you must make a deal with the devil to get back to respectability!

[Culburn369]

Sometimes you must make a deal with the devil to get back to respectability!

I have my pride, Jazzy. And as I pass into the twilight of my life, I must protect my pride and my legacy. So that when I'm no longer here they'll still speak of me in the annals of all Boards & Forums with reverence & like awe.

[all_heart]

Don't the Lakers believe in weights? They should have put Ariza on a good workout program with lots of food! That would have beefed him up! Lakers should have kept Ariza, he's a better role player and a load faster than Artest. Cuban is a big idiot for sure, but he could be right on this one. The only thing that reigns in players like Artest is meds and maybe a really good woman! Of course his old team mates like him, he's got their back! That's the only advantage he'll give the Lakers. This "toughness" will not repeat NOT rub off on guys like Gasol, Farmar or Walton.

[jazzypimp]

Sorry for the delay, I had to drop a Cul and whipe a burn.. now what were we talking about again??

[Obstructed_View]

With that logic, there are at least 4 teams this year that no matter who wins finals mvp they will be coattailing, and your spurs are one of them.

Difference is, Spurs fans don't really care about that. Matt Bonner can be finals MVP for all I care, as long as he's a Spur when he wins it.

[Culburn369]

Difference is, Spurs fans don't really care about that. Matt Bonner can be finals MVP for all I care, as long as he's a Spur when he wins it.

We ain't no diff. You can stick the Finals MVP for all I care.

All I want is 2 things:

1. make the playoffs.

2. win the last game we play.

There is nothing else.

[TheMACHINE]

Don't the Lakers believe in weights? They should have put Ariza on a good workout program with lots of food! That would have beefed him up! Lakers should have kept Ariza, he's a better role player and a load faster than Artest. Cuban is a big idiot for sure, but he could be right on this one. The only thing that reigns in players like Artest is meds and maybe a really good woman! Of course his old team mates like him, he's got their back! That's the only advantage he'll give the Lakers. This "toughness" will not repeat NOT rub off on guys like Gasol, Farmar or Walton.

we'll see how things work out for Ariza when he actually has a hand in his face when shooting.

[all_heart]

we'll see how things work out for Ariza when he actually has a hand in his face when shooting.

So you are saying Kobe presence made him successful? I don't doubt that, but what about on the defensive end? "Trading" Ariza for Artest, the Lakers lost youth, quickness, and a good defensive role player who can run the floor. Yes, Artest is bigger and can guard bigger guys but isn't that Bynum's "role"? Not a good return IMO..

[picc84]

Difference is, Spurs fans don't really care about that. Matt Bonner can be finals MVP for all I care, as long as he's a Spur when he wins it.

You certainly would care, if you were trying to enjoy the championship and all everyone talked about was how Duncan had to coattail Matt Bonner on his way to a 5th ring.

Fortunately, I don't think anyone would be that stupid. But from your previous post it seems you would.

[TheMACHINE]

So you are saying Kobe presence made him successful? I don't doubt that, but what about on the defensive end? "Trading" Ariza for Artest, the Lakers lost youth, quickness, and a good defensive role player who can run the floor. Yes, Artest is bigger and can guard bigger guys but isn't that Bynum's "role"? Not a good return IMO..

oh yah..i forgot that Artest isnt know for his defense.

Cant wait to see Bynum do his role and guard Lebron and Melo.

/sarcasm

[lefty]

LMAO Cuban,

What an idiot


Artest won't mess up the Lakers chemistry

They'll be even better

[21_Blessings]

Don't the Lakers believe in weights? They should have put Ariza on a good workout program with lots of food! That would have beefed him up! Lakers should have kept Ariza, he's a better role player and a load faster than Artest. .

Ariza tried that last summer. Only barely added like 5 pounds while eating 3500+ calories a day most of the summer.

Without a doubt, Ron defends Melo, Jefferson Pierce and Lebron much better than Ariza.

[The Franchise]

Ariza tried that last summer. Only barely added like 5 pounds while eating 3500+ calories a day most of the summer.

Without a doubt, Ron defends Melo, Jefferson Pierce and Lebron much better than Ariza.

Maybe Melo, but have you seen him play Lebron, and Pierce lately? He cannot check either effectively anymore. They have been raping him for the last couple of years.

[21_Blessings]

He cannot check either effectively anymore. They have been raping him for the last couple of years.

Not true at all

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...1&p2=jamesle01

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...1&p2=piercpa01

No one in the league can guard Lebron more effectively than Artest.

[The Franchise]

Not true at all

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...1&p2=jamesle01

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...1&p2=piercpa01

No one in the league can guard Lebron more effectively than Artest.

Your numbers actually back my arguement. Look at the matchups from 2007-2009. They both dominate him in most of the games except maybe 1 or 2, and there stats are still leaps and bounds better than his in the bad games. Almost forgot to mention, Shane Battier covered Lebron in the one bad game Lebron had in that stretch (they switched him on Lebron because Artest was a turnstile on D). The numbers show that Artest's effectiveness on the defensive end has dropped considerably the last two seasons.

[21_Blessings]

Your numbers actually back my arguement. Look at the matchups from 2007-2009. .

No they don't. Learn how to read statistics.