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yeah he was at in and out alot. if that didnt work nothing will!
Nope. I'd enjoy any championship for the Spurs. I don't have to make up about Tim Duncan to try to vault him into places he doesn't deserve to be. I don't have to call him "the best closer in the game" or some stupid bull just to enjoy a le.
Spurs fans already watched Duncan carry two aging stars to les. Trying to pretend that Tim Duncan is Michael Jordan is not a pastime for Spur fans.
yeah he was at in and out alot. if that didnt work nothing will!
Did you even look at the stats you posted? Obviously not.
No, but selectively mocking only certain players for winning on great teams is.
I read all the pages and I really think that DPF21920 deserves a spur for arguing constantly with lakers fans on their own forum !!!
Did you? Obviously not.
Last game Artest faced Lebron he played 37 minutes while Bron shot 7 for 21. I watched that game and Artest was guarding him for much of that game.
Game before that Lebron basically shoots his season average with only 6 free throws. Artest only played 31 min that game compared to Battier's 39.
Lebron's career FG% against Ron is .447 which is well below Lebron's career average. No one else in the league has the combination of size and quickness to D up Bron like Ron does.
Pierce, same story. He shot 7/14 in a Boston loss against and 5/15 the game before that with Ron playing heavy minutes.
Really, Kobe is only superstar that really consistently torches Ron. And him doing that everyday in practice will only make Ron Ron an even better defender.
The highlighted part is wrong. I watched that game to, (along with the other 81 Rocket games last season because league pass is wonderful) and they took Ron off of Lebron, stuck Shane on him, and kept him out of the paint with team defense making him a jumpshooter. Compare 2007-2009 to the years before and you will see that his effectiveness in previous years was greater against both players. That was the point I made in my original post. I never said he wasn't effective against them in the past, I said he hasn't been recently which is true. He has lost a step.
Ron guarded Lebron plenty that game and did a good job on him. Now you're resorting to lying.
Compare last season and his defense against those two was very good. Looking at his time with the Kings is pointless when you consider what a terrible defensive team was around him. Brad Miller and Shareef down low with Kenny Thomas off the bench which is pathetic.
Huh?
Yes he can check them effectively and he do it much more effectively than Ariza ever could with his size. No they haven't been raping him the last couple years. Thanks for basically admitting you never looked at that bref link I posted.
Yeah he's lost a step, but you're exaggeratin how much he lost. Ron is a smarter defender now with more strength. Lakers won a championship with Ariza and upgraded defensively with Artest.
I have no reason to lie. You're changing the truth to fit your needs.
Them shooting mid 40% and 50% against him regularly is very good defense? Check the stats again please. Bringing Brad, Shareef, and Kenny into the conversation obviously means Artest's man had beaten him correct?Compare last season and his defense against those two was very good. Looking at his time with the Kings is pointless when you consider what a terrible defensive team was around him. Brad Miller and Shareef down low with Kenny Thomas off the bench which is pathetic.
What's hard to understand about his stats, and effectiveness being worse in the past two years against those players?Huh?
2007-2009 check it again. He does worse against them than any other point in his career. I agree he does have better size to check them than Ariza though.Yes he can check them effectively and he do it much more effectively than Ariza ever could with his size. No they haven't been raping him the last couple years. Thanks for basically admitting you never looked at that bref link I posted.
Yeah he's lost a step, but you're exaggeratin how much he lost. Ron is a smarter defender now with more strength.
They have upgraded when it comes to playing a larger SF, but I would much rather have a player that can check the PG, SG, and most SF effectively (Ariza). Now you have one that can check some SF, and some SG. Enjoy.Lakers won a championship with Ariza and upgraded defensively with Artest.
The moment Kobe went sans Daddy, DPF had no other choice.
Not sure how pointing out the facts that Kobe's not the greatest player of all time, the best finisher in the game, or capable of winning without the deepest team in the NBA around him is "selectively mocking".
"you're trying too hard."
tee, hee.
Shane guarded Lebron most of that game....he is telling the truth.
OK, but Ron was horrible on defense last year in Houston, he could not stay in front of anyone with a sliver of quickness.
Ariza is quicker than Ron at this point in their careers...
Ron and smart should never be put together in a sentence unless it is like this:
Ron Artest is a smart ass......because the guy is one of the all time knuckleheads on the floor, you guys made a Mark Cuban sized mistake in signing him.
DD
Because not many have been.
They don't count those, picc. Just Kobe.
True, just the ones that won les. Kobe has trouble getting out of the first round without at least one perennial all-star around him. When Kobe gets shut out in the fourth quarter of a closeout game in the playoffs, it's gotta be Smush Parker's fault.
No.
But, Smush Parker brought him there. That fourth quarter belongs to Bryant. He owns it. And it owns him.
2 all star selections in 9 years = perennial?
But yes, give Kobe one all star to play with and he gets past the first round. And right into the finals.
Coincidentally, there were three teams to lose in the first round this year with two 'perennial' all stars on the court.
Guess who was one of them.
the funny part here is guys like Obstructed talk about excuses etc. So Duncan has an all-star PG, a 6th man winner, the steal of the draft, 2 clutch 3pt shooters and the best bigman at his side since David left and so if Duncan doesnt win that somehow diminishes what he has already done. Not sure if you listen to rap but Im paraphrasing Jay-Z "I'm on the wall already, in the hall already ...I've done what yall trying to do... ALREADY"
Kobe and duncan HOF credentials are sealed Kobe has been the #1 or 2 optoion on 4 le team s and 2 Finals teams. Duncan has been the man on at leats 3 (i argue 4 but morons voted TP Finals MVP) ...this year is just this year ...Lebron and Dwight howard may come under scrutiny because they have NOT won I would argue that if Boston doesnt win at least one more it keeps KG and Pierce out of the Kobe/Duncan level.
Yeah I don't get it, but I don't see any of the other Spurs fans making the same silly claims so i'm assuming he's just trolling or just really, really, really, really hates kobe, as opposed to just really, really hating him like most do.
That's exactly what you're doing. See below.
They don't do that regularly against Ron Artest you nimrod. Stop lying.
I think it's pretty obvious you don't play basketball. Learn the game and then learn how defense actually works before you say stupid like this.
What? You said they were "raping" the last two years and he wasn't effective in guarding them anymore. Which is not true at all.
He doesn't do worse against them, especially pierce. Lebron had ONE good game against him when he was on the Kings. I already explained why that's not comparable to Ron on the Lakers defense.2007-2009 check it again. He does worse against them than any other point in his career. I agree he does have better size to check them than Ariza though.
I have bad news from for you. Ariza doesn't guard SFs effectively and his overall man defense is worse than Ron Artest's. SF defense which was the one of the Lakers biggest weaknesses. Upgraded that big time with Artest.
I know you're angry that your team and Franchise player is a complete joke. Don't have to be bitter because you lost a better player (than Ariza) in free agency. It's ok man. Maybe T-Mac can get healthy and lead you guys to another first round exit.
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Who is the best perimeter defender in the NBA?
1. Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 34.5%
2. Shane Battier, Houston 24.1%
3. Ron Artest, L.A. Lakers 20.7%
4. Rajon Rondo, Boston 6.9%
Who is the best on-the-ball defender in the NBA?
1. Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 25.0%
1. Rajon Rondo, Boston 25.0%
3. Ron Artest, L.A. Lakers 17.9%
Not only were you made to look foolish by the statistics, the coaches (All-NBA 2nd team for Ron) and GMs disagree with you. I'll take Ron's defense over Trevor's any ing day.
Backto back
time. Peace.
Last edited by 21_Blessings; 10-06-2009 at 03:19 PM.
Ron's rating is based upon his past, he is nowhere near as good now....witness Brandon Roy lighthing him up in the playoffs.
Now Battier is that good.
DD
Sorry fellas, Artest HAS lost a step or two on defense, and here are the numbers to prove it:
2008-2009
Lost 5 matchups:
Against Brandon Roy: Roy scores 25, 31, 19, 42, 22
Against LeBron: LeBron scores 27
Against Al Thorton: Thorton scores 24
http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball...ps/09/10/134/2
You ing idiot. You were the fool that gave me the statistics, and when they back up my arguement that Artest hasn't been as effective the last two seasons now I'm crazy. You dummy I have been watching the games, and they have been raping him. As far as playing I'm pretty sure I have been doing that for a longer period of time than your sissy ass has been breathing. playing, from your lack of basketball knowledge I would guess that you haven't even been watching the sport for over ten years. So, in the future, before you post stats that prove you wrong and make you look like a ing dolt, please check them first. ing idiot.
That's what happens when you only pay attention to career stats. I don't care about what he did in 2004, I just know in 2009 he was trying to live off of his reputation (and getting embarassed in the process). He is nowhere near what he used to be. Who knows, maybe he will surprise everyone this year.
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