and this is coming from a guy that has him on his avatar
come on guys Ian has all the talent in the world I think he can really workout and become a very good player and save us a headache to find a big man in the future he's only 22 and surrounded by guys that will push him to play his best i see a solid sason this year and a break out one next year IMO
“I said, ‘Oh, my goodness, this guy is good,'” McDyess said. “I wondered why I hadn't heard more about him. I love his game.”
Because he plays like he's indifferent to whats going on, collects fouls at a stunning pace and is usually injured. , Felix Jones thinks Ian is soft.
Really nice praise from Antonio. It is giving me hope !
IMO, money isn't the deciding factor (Ian salary is and will stay low). The deciding factor is playing time.
Ian needs a somewhat consistent playing time to grow as a player. Spurs have a limited number of minutes available and they must make the best use of these minutes. We will see at who Spurs decide to give these minutes. If they think that it's better for the team in the short or middle term to give these minutes to another player, Ian will likely be salary dumped.
Andat the sheepish premature ejaculatory posters saying that Ian doesn't give a to play while Pop said “Ian is a very hungry player right now”.
kinda hard for the 28th overall pick in the draft to be a bust period - although that did turn out to be a pretty special draft.
ummm, it's up to Ian to earn his minutes. the Spurs have nothing to do with it. he shows hustle and plays well, minutes are guaranteed, doesn't and bye bye Ian
The Spurs have invested a lot in Ian's development. For a kid who has a ton of raw talent, yet has accomplished nothing, it's hard to believe that hunger and desire would be his problem. I trust he will reward them and hopefully things will work out. After all, Duncan is nearing the end and young, talented bigs are at a premium.
However if it turns out that Ian cannot be salvaged, I don't want to see the Spurs simply dump him. Rather the Spurs should pick up the option for his 4th year and use him as trade fodder, either later this year or over the summer. They will most certainly find some team willing to take him. Better to get something for him, than dump him altogether.
well I been looking at the SPurs open practice and I agree Ian looks lazy, slow out there. Being outplayed by all the other bigs. That is not a way to earn minutes.
good luck ian. your time to show something is never going to be more optimal.
That's some high praise from McDyess. And Pop says he's hungry for playing time. He's obviously showing something in practice for them to say this.
I just wish whatever it was would translate into the game. He showed some flashes during the SL but I agree he looks lazy at other times.
I don't think it's fair to call him a bust at his age but I don't see where the playing time will come for him either. Duncan, McDyess, and Blair will eat most the minutes. Not to mention Bonner likely getting some minutes.
as you point out there are two views. you can't take it as given that a 28th pick turns into a legit NBA player, on the other hand, if players like Lee, Ellis, Gomes, Turiaf, Bass, Ilyasova, Bass, Azubuike, Lo Williams, were still on the board, a little "what if" should be allowed from time to time.
Ian has a set of raw tools that no other big on this roster has - including Ratliff. Plus, the best thing about him is that he young. Pop is going to have to find ways to provide him with some minutes so that he keeps developing.
This is the last go around for Duncan and both he and Ratliff will likely not be on the squad in 2 years. There isn't a surplus of young bigs roaming the NBA landscape.
Look how long it's taken Bynum to develop. Remember he was taken #10 overall in the same 2005 draft. Imagine if the Fakers would have jettisoned him after 3 years. While Bynum has also missed a lot of time due to injury, he's had much more playing time than Ian, and he's still a work in progress. Yet, he IS the Fakers starting center.
The point being, for the Spurs prematurely get rid of Ian, while he's progressing, would be a mistake. As long as he is developing and showing progress, it would be foolish to simply give up on him.
are you really serious about this comparison???????????????????????
(maybe the worst you could ever find from that class)
Bynum became a starter and regular rotation player in his 2nd season, when he was just 19.
(still very raw he delivered decent numbers from the beginning)
and he increased this numbers into huge numbers the year after, when he was still only 20.
ummm, I've never said that Ian should get minutes if he doesn't deserve them.
This is not compare players. The point was to highlight the development strategy. Even going into his 5th season, Bynum is nowhere near a finished product. While he's come a long way, he's still got significant development to do.
IMO, money isn't the deciding factor (Ian salary is and will stay low). The deciding factor is playing time.
Ian needs a somewhat consistent playing time to grow as a player. Spurs have a limited number of minutes available and they must make the best use of these minutes. We will see at who Spurs decide to give these minutes. If they think that it's better for the team in the short or middle term to give these minutes to another player, Ian will likely be salary dumped.
And
So Timothy Varner is a sheepish, permature ejaculatory poster? Also, Pop said the French doctors are essentially liars and that they suck, is he correct? Point is, sometimes Pop says things that cannot be taken on face value.
What is Pop supposed to say about the guy right now? They are waiting to see what they have in him and he wants to give him confidence. I don't think anyone is saying Ian is always this lazy player, just that in certain moments it can stand out. His energy on the court often appears low because he looks bored or uninterested. Despite that, the vast majority are rooting for Ian and want him to show what he can do.
Just as an aside: If Pops Mensah-Bonsu destroys Ian tonight, will the meltdown be huge?
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I don't get the feeling that Ian is lazy. I think he just doesn't have real good basketball instincts. If he's not directly involved in the play, offensively or defensively, he's not sure what to do with himself, so he just stands around or wanders around a little aimlessly.
I hope he really does well. Last season early he played some promising minutes. But I think he's going to really have to show that there's very little doubt he can see floor time this year or they won't keep him.
Exactly, people who use the term lazy to describe Ian are inaccurate. He "floats" from time to time. He "drifts" and his energy level drops sometimes. I have seen him play and play very well and hard. He is not lazy.
Link to Varner saying that Ian doesn't give a about playing for Spurs ?
WTF ?
I don't see the link with French doctors nor I remember Pop saying that they are liar.
And your logic is just awesome:
Pop is lying sometimes (before the Malik Rose trade for example) but that doesn't mean that he is always lying. Most of the time he says the truth or at least is something close to the truth.
Pop surely wouldn't call Ian "very hungry" if he was lazy during practices even to give him some confidence.
Maybe you should re-read the other thread.
He did not say "Ian does not give a ", but he made the observation about his lack of energy. I don't see many people in here saying Ian "does not give a ". Most are saying he has moments on the court where his energy is extremely low and where he seems uninterested. We have tried to figure out why this occurs with him.
Like I said, people who use the word lazy seem to be inaccurate. Low energy or uninterested, for whatever reason, seem to describe Ian at times. I think that was a message from Pop and a confidence shot to Ian. I am confident that Ian works pretty hard overall, but you cannot deny and many have noticed the times where his energy level during moments is lower than the majority of others around him.WTF ?
I don't see the link with French doctors nor I remember Pop saying that they are liar.
And your logic is just awesome:
Pop is lying sometimes (before the Malik Rose trade for example) but that doesn't mean that he is always lying. Most of the time he says the truth or at least is something close to the truth.
Pop surely wouldn't call Ian "very hungry" if he was lazy during practices even to give him some confidence.
Figuring out why is a different story.
Point is, I don't and you should not worry too much about what a small percentage of posters who bash on players without much logic say. Most of the comments about Ian are positive and I think almost everyone wants Ian to pan out.Maybe you should re-read the other thread.
Some will call him a "bust" or just rip the guy, but others are making an observation on his game. Just like saying Bonner not rebounding is noticeable, sometimes Ian's low energy is as well.
I wish all the best to Ian.
I'd really like to see him work out given all the time spent working with the Spurs. I am not as confident as I'd like to be given the small amount of minutes he will be getting. Also, I'd like to see him play very well consistently-- something I have not seen yet.
But, if this kid works out, he will be a phenomenal big catch for the Spurs. That being said, can Ian produce? We'll all see... Good luck to you Ian.
Ian is the Spurs saviour. If he works out, he can be a very solid rotational player for the Spurs and fills a huge need (size, shot blocking, good mid-range offense) now and down the road.
If he just works on making quicker, more decisive decisions he will be fine I think. He has a solid 12-15 jump shot, decent foot work, pretty nice touch around the basket, can run the floor, is very athletic and his defense is good. His rotations on defense and activity could pick up and he needs to make sure that he focuses on positioning for rebounding.
ehhh...
Me: "And
You: "So Timothy Varner is a sheepish, permature ejaculatory poster?"
Me: "Link to Varner saying that Ian doesn't give a about playing for Spurs ? "
You: "He did not say "Ian does not give a ""
That's a quite unreal exchange.
Did I say : "And
No.
I was talking to poster saying that Ian wasn't interested or motivated by playing basketball. I you don't think that, I wasn't talking to you so I don't know why you are after me.
I have no problem with people thinking that Ian will end up as a bust or having serious doubt about him. It's their opinion and they could be right.
What I find laughable is people bashing someone without any common sense.
Worry?
It's not like I've spend hours writing a novel to this small percentage of posters.
Well, I was the one bringing up the lack of energy and I assumed you were talking to me.
I also did not see anyone in the "Scrimmage Thoughts" thread say "Ian does not give a ". So I thought that was the thread you were referring to and I thought you saying "Ian does not give a " was a translation of what you thought people who were commenting on the energy level were saying. No one in that thread said that and neither did Varner.
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