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    The White House finds a four-star scapegoat for its Afghan jitters.



    Democrats have found someone worth fighting in Afghanistan. His name is Stan McChrystal.

    The other night, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi went after the commander of U.S. and allied forces in Afghanistan, "with all due respect," for supposedly disrespecting the chain of command. Around the Congressional Democratic Caucus, we're told Members refer to General McChrystal as "General MacArthur," after the commander in Korea sacked by Harry Truman.

    White House aides have fanned these flames with recent leaks to the media that "officials are challenging" his assessment asking for more troops. In the last two days, the White House National Security Adviser and the Secretary of Defense have both suggested that the general should keep his mouth shut. President Obama called him in Friday for a talking-to on the tarmac at Copenhagen airport.

    Though a decorated Army four-star officer, the General's introduction to Beltway warfare is proving to be brutal. To be fair, Gen. McChrystal couldn't know that his Commander in Chief would go wobbly so soon on his commitment to him as well as to his own Afghan strategy when he was tapped for the job in AprilWe're told by people who know him that Gen. McChrystal "feels terrible" and "had no intention whatsoever of trying to lobby and influence" the Administration. His sense of bewilderment makes perfect sense anywhere but in the political battlefield of Washington. He was, after all, following orders.

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    Recall that in March Mr. Obama unveiled his "comprehensive new strategy . . . to reverse the Taliban's gains and promote a more capable and accountable Afghan government." The Commander in Chief pledged to properly resource this "war of necessity," which he also called during the 2008 campaign "the central front on terror." The President then sacked his war commander, who had been chosen by Defense Secretary Robert Gates, in favor of Gen. McChrystal, an expert in counterinsurgency.

    Upon arriving in June, Gen. McChrystal launched his assessment of the forces required to execute the Obama strategy. His confidential study was completed in August and sent to the Pentagon. Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Michael Mullen told Congress that more troops would be needed, and a figure of 30,000-40,000 was bandied about.

    The figure has clearly spooked the Administration. Soon after, Gen. McChrystal's confidential report was leaked to the Washington Post by, well, you'll have to ask Bob Woodward. The report said that the U.S. urgently needs to reverse a "deteriorating" security situation. Soon the full retreat began in Washington, led by a vocal group within the Administration that wants to scale back the mission. The White House told the Pentagon to hold off asking for troops and Gen. McChrystal not to testify to Congress. Remarkably, President Obama mused on the Sunday talks shows, "Are we doing the right thing?"

    Then Gen. McChrystal gave a speech last Thursday before the International Ins ute of Strategic Studies in London. It was scheduled and approved by the Pentagon weeks before the Afghan political jitters seized official Washington. The General was hardly incendiary.

    "We need to reverse the current trends, and time does matter," he said. Asked vaguely about taking a narrower approach that leaves Afghanistan to its own devices and strikes at terrorists from afar, Gen. McChrystal offered that "a strategy that does not leave Afghanistan in a stable position is probably a short-sighted one." He warned the country would descend into "Chaos-istan."

    What really worries Democrats is the prospect of Midterm-istan if Mr. Obama escalates the war. But some thought to play up the General's innocuous comment into an attempt to torpedo the latest Administration rethink.

    In fact, the White House is merely revisiting the idea rejected in its "careful policy review" last spring to move from ambitious counterinsurgency to "counterterrorism" that would involve fewer troops and target al Qaeda instead of the Taliban. Vice President Joe Biden champions the change, and Sen. John Kerry and Speaker Pelosi have endorsed it.

    The Biden faction says changes in the region justify a U-turn: An expanded U.S. force would merely be fighting a motley group of insurgents who aren't planning the next 9/11. This is partly true, but the links between the Taliban and al Qaeda are longstanding, particularly in the Pashtun areas of the south. If America pulls back and lets Mullah Omar create a Talibanistan in Helmand and Kandahar, al Qaeda operatives will soon follow.

    As we've learned the hard way in Iraq and Afghanistan, successful counterterrorism requires intelligence. This comes from earning the trust of the people, which in turn can only happen if they are protected. The Biden approach would pull U.S. soldiers back behind high walls, far from the field of battle, and turns security over to the Afghan army and police before they are prepared for the job.

    The sudden Afghan rethink also jeopardizes progress in Pakistan, the world's leading sanctuary for al Qaeda. The Pakistani willingness to expand American drone strikes and launch a military campaign in their tribal regions dates squarely to the Administration's recommitment to the region. Now that Mr. Obama is having second thoughts, so might the Pakistanis.

    The President's very public waver is already doing strategic harm. The Taliban are getting a morale boost and claiming victory, while our allies in Europe have one more reason to rethink their own deployments. Such a victory, as the head of the British army Sir David Richards warned on Sunday, would have an "intoxicating effect" on extremist Islam around the world.

    Commanders in Chief can change their minds. George W. Bush waited too long to embrace the "surge." He had private doubts when the casualties also surged in 2007, but he gave the new approach a chance to succeed. Mr. Obama is blinking even before all the additional troops he ordered to Afghanistan have had time to deploy to the theater.

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    Gen. McChrystal's liberal critics also have very short memories. In 2003, Army Chief of Staff General Eric Shinseki clashed with his superiors by saying many more troops were needed to pacify Iraq. He became a Democratic hero and is now Mr. Obama's Veterans Secretary. In this case, Gen. McChrystal has become a political target merely for taking at face value Mr. Obama's order to fight the war properly. His superiors, the Central Commander David Petraeus and Adm. Fallon, back him, but can hardly be said to question civil control of the military.

    In an interview with Newsweek, Gen. McChrystal said he wouldn't resign if the President rejects his request for more troops. If he were really trying to dictate policy, he'd have given a different answer. But we don't think Gen. McChrystal should stay to implement a Biden war plan either. No commander in uniform should ask his soldiers to die for a strategy he doesn't think is winnable—or for a President who lets his advisers and party blame a general for their own lack of political nerve.

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    Wow, a pro war Wall Street Journal op-ed? What a rare find!


    If America pulls back and lets Mullah Omar create a Talibanistan in Helmand and Kandahar, al Qaeda operatives will soon follow.
    I wonder where he hides his crystal ball.

    The Biden approach would pull U.S. soldiers back behind high walls, far from the field of battle, and turns security over to the Afghan army and police before they are prepared for the job.
    After how many years, is the Iraqi army even prepared to take over the job? It's tough building an ins ution of professionalism from the ground up, and takes a lot of time. I've heard mixed reports on the Iraqi army.

    The Taliban are getting a morale boost and claiming victory, while our allies in Europe have one more reason to rethink their own deployments
    The whole idea of "morale boosting" is ridiculously overused. The Taliban just as likely would have us stay in the country and waste resources there. We shouldn't base our policy there on what the Taliban says.

    Gen. McChrystal's liberal critics also have very short memories. In 2003, Army Chief of Staff General Eric Shinseki clashed with his superiors by saying many more troops were needed to pacify Iraq. He became a Democratic hero and is now Mr. Obama's Veterans Secretary.
    Solid point. Although I think that the Dem opposition to Afghanistan is taking on the idea of "Why are we even there?"

    There's a real fight brewing about the US's role in the international community regarding terrorism. Are we supposed to remake EVERY country that could possibly harbor terrorists? That's impossible. And yet, if even one terrorist group gets a nuke it could lead to catastrophic consequences. How do we square these two facts?

    In an interview with Newsweek, Gen. McChrystal said he wouldn't resign if the President rejects his request for more troops.
    Good man.

    No commander in uniform should ask his soldiers to die for a strategy he doesn't think is winnable—or for a President who lets his advisers and party blame a general for their own lack of political nerve.
    Actually, that's not quite right. From what I've learned of leadership, it's about 'buying-in'. Even if you don't think a plan is very strong, you never " down" to your soldiers. You lay out the plan and get them to buy-in too. If you have complaints about the plan, but you " upwards".

    Overall, I do think McChrystal has been treated pretty poorly. But that's not really something new in the military.

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    darrins not going.

    what does he care.

    he wants soldiers to die so he can use them as political toys.

    darrins still outraged about vietnam, but still offers the same solution.

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    darrins not going.

    what does he care.

    he wants soldiers to die so he can use them as political toys.

    darrins still outraged about vietnam, but still offers the same solution.

    Who's really playing politics with this "war of necessity"?

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    Cons ution says civilians run wars, not the generals.

    Generals would be for never-ending, career-padding wars, in which generals never get killed nor pay for.

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    Cons ution says civilians run wars, not the generals.

    Generals would be for never-ending, career-padding wars, in which generals never get killed nor pay for.

    So, McChrystal is trying to run the war now?

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    So, McChrystal is trying to run the war now?
    you're not very bright.

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    Who's really playing politics with this "war of necessity"?
    You, and the author of the op-ed apparently.

    This guy is pulling stuff out of his ass in regards to our position in Afghanistan and you're eating it up. The war in Iraq consisted of 3 or 4 strategy changes. We need to know if what we're doing in Afghanistan is working and if not, what do we need to do. Sending more troops without making sure that the strategy itself is sound is tantamount to throwing money at a problem and making sure it fixes itself. It's worse than the alternative because you're simply putting more lives at risk in a bad situation. Find the correct strategy, implement it, send in troops.

    Of course the rebuttal to that is "how many troops who are there now are going to die because of the delay?"... most likely what we've been seeing the past couple months... but how many would die by sending them into the same exact ty strategy.

    But of course you read something that's critical of the administration and view it as sacrosanct anyway.

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    What really worries Democrats is the prospect of Midterm-istan if Mr. Obama escalates the war.





    In this case, Gen. McChrystal has become a political target merely for taking at face value Mr. Obama's order to fight the war properly

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    Who's really playing politics with this "war of necessity"?
    McChrystal threw down the political gauntlet first, by daring the president publicly to increase troop levels, or lose the war.
    Last edited by Winehole23; 10-07-2009 at 10:33 AM.

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    Afghanistan is afghani for Vietnam.

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    McChrystal threw down the political gauntlet first, by daring the president publicly to increase troop levels, or lose the war.
    Daring him? or telling him like it is? Obama needs to quit his jet setting trips to try and make his buds in Chicago a bunch of green, and focus his ass on the job at hand. His "I need to think about it a while" routine is getting old. What does he need to "think" about? How he can blame it all on GW?

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    Daring him? or telling him like it is?
    The DoD plays politics too. McChrystal could've given the president his unvarnished opinion privately. Instead, he created a political football: give me troops, or bear the loss.

    What does he need to "think" about?
    A strategy that will achieve our goals. We haven't had that the past six years. His predecessor knew this, but basically punted to Obama.

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    McChrystal threw down the political gauntlet first, by daring the president publicly to increase troop levels, or lose the war.
    LOL

    Why don't you read McChrystal's speech.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...tan_98537.html

    Yeah, he really threw down the gauntlet.

    He sounds like a very reasonable and thoughtful man to me.

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    LOL

    Why don't you read McChrystal's speech.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...tan_98537.html

    Yeah, he really threw down the gauntlet.

    He sounds like a very reasonable and thoughtful man to me.
    that was actually a good read.

    he has no idea what to do......beyond smothering a fire with live bodies.

    you see, darrins, thats what generals do.

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    that was actually a good read.

    he has no idea what to do......beyond smothering a fire with live bodies.

    you see, darrins, thats what generals do.

    A good example of how the left REALLY thinks about the military. Thanks.

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    LOL

    Why don't you read McChrystal's speech.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...tan_98537.html

    Yeah, he really threw down the gauntlet
    .

    He sounds like a very reasonable and thoughtful man to me.

    I don't expect you to understand, but try.

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    I don't expect you to understand, but try.

    Quoting me and changing the font size sure made things clear. How long ago was his speech scheduled? What incendiary comments did he make?

    <crickets>

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    A good example of how the left REALLY thinks about the military. Thanks.
    those were his words, choo choo, not mine.

    if you're going to off at work, couldn't you at least try to comprehend what you're pedaling?

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    those were his words, choo choo, not mine.

    if you're going to off at work, couldn't you at least try to comprehend what you're pedaling?

    You're only slightly more re ed than your alter-ego, ChumpDumper.

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    You're only slightly more re ed than your alter-ego, ChumpDumper.
    wow, your youtubes are more impressive.

    can't you find a video that will teach you about generals motivations...better yet, what motivates that general after 7 years of contact with the situation?

    stick with what you know.

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    You're only slightly more re ed than your alter-ego, ChumpDumper.
    And then you provide proof.


    wow, your youtubes are more impressive.

    can't you find a video that will teach you about generals motivations...better yet, what motivates that general after 7 years of contact with the situation?

    stick with what you know.

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    e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0 MannyIsGod's Avatar
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    Quoting me and changing the font size sure made things clear. How long ago was his speech scheduled? What incendiary comments did he make?

    <crickets>
    I told you I didn't expect you to understand.

    The speech itself was a political move. It has nothing to do with being incendiary or having it scheduled in advanced. Do you understand why?

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    that was actually a good read.

    he has no idea what to do......beyond smothering a fire with live bodies.

    you see, darrins, thats what generals do.
    Yes I'm sure the joint chiefs will be calling on you for advice if they can get your boss at the radio shack to let you have an early break.

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    I told you I didn't expect you to understand.

    The speech itself was a political move. It has nothing to do with being incendiary or having it scheduled in advanced. Do you understand why?
    Sounds like a man trying to do his job dealing with a boss to busy covering his political ass to be of much help to the troops.

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