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    I think there are a lot of people in this thread who wouldn't last long as school counsellors. Is the job to be the police or confidential advisor? To be sure, if someone is getting assaulted, go to the police. But if no one is getting badly hurt, do you go to the police no matter what?

    I know some will turn that around to say I'm saying this situation is trivial, but how can you advise kids on drugs, sex, gangs, bullying and other abuse, etc. if you went to the police each and every time? I'm just trying to say this is not the black-and-white situation that everyone is trying to paint it.
    I would go to the police if I thought a 15 year old was raped. I'm just saying. A sophmore in highschool tells me he/she went to the bus station and ed some 26 or older dude I would call the police. Not black and white, girl or boy.

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    i think there are a lot of people in this thread who wouldn't last long as school counsellors. Is the job to be the police or confidential advisor? To be sure, if someone is getting assaulted, go to the police. But if no one is getting badly hurt, do you go to the police no matter what?

    I know some will turn that around to say i'm saying this situation is trivial, but how can you advise kids on drugs, sex, gangs, bullying and other abuse, etc. If you went to the police each and every time? I'm just trying to say this is not the black-and-white situation that everyone is trying to paint it.
    http://www.school-counseling-zone.co...entiality.html
    5. What are the limits of confidentiality for school counselors?
    ethically, school counselors are required to take appropriate action if students engage in behavior that presents clear and imminent danger to themselves and others. Legally, they're required to report known or suspected child abuse or neglect,-

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    I would hope that he would tell me about it, rather than feeling the need to go to a teacher.

    I can see your point Jack, about the teacher thinking he was 15. If that was the case, he certainly should have reported it.

    Though, in all honesty, I don't know whether the police could have definitely followed up on it. And I'm not sure if the man who was having sex with the boy knew his age either.

    It seemed a mostly victimless crime to me. The boy was of age, and had sex with consent. Even if the boy was 15, I am leery to demand the teacher turn him in. Kids that age have sex, and I would assume that the teacher knew 1) this kid was going to have sex eventually and wanted to stress the importance of protection and 2) thought that if he was coming to him, the teacher, that maybe the child had reasons for maintaining privacy. (Ie. he didn't want to be outed to his folks)

    The above paragraph, of course, is mere speculation. It could be that this guy just has really poor judgment too. None of us can say for sure.

    This is not about young teenagers having consentual sex. Even though I am against the normalization of kids having sex, that is a different discussion. This is about a grown man getting close enough to and having sex with a 16 yr old. The man is a predator. If the teacher thought he was 15, what's to say that the predator didn't think the kid was 12 or 13? This goes against our culture's morals. Our country and especially school counselors should be protecting these kids.
    School counselors must balance their ethical and legal responsibilities to their clients, clients' parents, and school systems. This complex balancing act is one reason that the topic of maintaining the confidences of student clients is raised in virtually every discussion of ethical and legal issues in school counseling. In attempting to weigh their legal and ethical obligations, it is helpful for school counselors to clearly identify those they consider to be "clients." School counselors are part of an educational community. As such, they consult with teachers, administrators, and parents. It is important for school counselors to clarify that their consultation is on behalf of students and that only the students are their clients
    -http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KOC/is_1_6/ai_93700936/
    the ethical codes and the law are in agreement that confidentiality is to be broken in cases where child abuse is suspected, in cases of harm to self such as attempted suicide, and in cases where clear and imminent danger to others is threatened.
    -http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KOC/is_2_6/ai_96194766/?tag=rbxcra.2.a.22

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    I'm hoping all this mess will end up on the termination of this Czars thing.
    This czar post was created by Bush.
    Obama should just fire them all and then appoint new guys following a proper process.
    And what proper process would that be?

    You want proof yet believe in global warming. I bet you believe unid'd witnesses in an anti-bush book.
    I merely want a direct quote from Jennings.

    I couldn't help but notice you didn't give one.

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    This czar post was created by Bush
    So? How is that relevant? What's exactly your point? That the "czar process" shouldn't be eliminated because Bush had czars? Clinton had czars. Bush father had czars. Etc.

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    why don't you get your own czar?

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    So? How is that relevant? What's exactly your point? That the "czar process" shouldn't be eliminated because Bush had czars? Clinton had czars. Bush father had czars. Etc.
    My point is you didn't give a about the increase in czars under Bush or the process by which they came into office.

    Now you care.

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    My point is you didn't give a about the increase in czars under Bush or the process by which they came into office.

    Now you care.
    I didn't? I don't take accusations of hypocrisy lightly. I also have the principle of not discussing with people that use ad hominem arguments. Please, clarify your statement ASAP. Thanks.

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    I didn't? I don't take accusations of hypocrisy lightly. I also have the principle of not discussing with people that use ad hominem arguments. Please, clarify your statement ASAP. Thanks.
    it was pretty clear.

    You're welcome.

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    I didn't? I don't take accusations of hypocrisy lightly. I also have the principle of not discussing with people that use ad hominem arguments. Please, clarify your statement ASAP. Thanks.
    you should put him on ignore.

    how dare he speak to you this way.

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    you should put him on ignore.

    how dare he speak to you this way.

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    why don't you get your own czar?
    Dude where's my Czar?

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    I didn't? I don't take accusations of hypocrisy lightly. I also have the principle of not discussing with people that use ad hominem arguments. Please, clarify your statement ASAP. Thanks.
    That is the only thing Chump does.

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    That is the only thing Chump does.
    Find that quote yet?

    The other thing I do is ask questions that board Republicans can't answer.

    Makes them mad.

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    it was pretty clear.

    You're welcome.
    Well, I guess you're either going to prove your accusations or confess you're a calumnious liar.

    Don't put me in the middle of your petty political guerrillas. That's not something I'm particularly fond of.

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    Well, I guess you're either going to prove your accusations or confess you're a calumnious liar.

    Don't put me in the middle of your petty political guerrillas. That's not something I'm particularly fond of.
    Ouch!

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    Well, I guess you're either going to prove your accusations or confess you're a calumnious liar.

    Don't put me in the middle of your petty political guerrillas. That's not something I'm particularly fond of.
    Ok, where are your posts denouncing the czars during the Bush administration?

    I admit it was an educated guess. Now you can prove me wrong.

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    Well, I guess you're either going to prove your accusations or confess you're a calumnious liar.

    Don't put me in the middle of your petty political guerrillas. That's not something I'm particularly fond of.
    you may be too fragile for this place.

    you should replace all these threads with new threads that go through a process.

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    Ok, where are your posts denouncing the czars during the Bush administration?

    I admit it was an educated guess. Now you can prove me wrong.
    I wasn't posting here during the Bush administration. But that's okay, as I've said I don't engage in conversations with a certain kind of person so no need to pursuit this particular argument.

    If you want to retract yourself and have a discussion about the issue of the czars, I'd gladly take part. Stay well.

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    you may be too fragile for this place.

    you should replace all these threads with new threads that go through a process.
    Is fragile finding if difficult to go through your idiotic posts?

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    would you like the retraction gift wrapped?

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    Is fragile finding if difficult to go through your idiotic posts?
    and it might damage your spelling.

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    I wasn't posting here during the Bush administration.
    You weren't posting anywhere?
    But that's okay, as I've said I don't engage in conversations with a certain kind of person so no need to pursuit this particular argument.
    Which czars were you against during the Bush administration?

    If you want to retract yourself and have a discussion about the issue of the czars, I'd gladly take part. Stay well.
    Nah, I still believe you never gave a about czars until the Obama administration. You have done nothing to dissuade me from that belief.

    I think that some czars are necessary and some aren't. Always have, always will.

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    You weren't posting anywhere?Which czars were you against during the Bush administration?

    Nah, I still believe you never gave a about czars until the Obama administration. You have done nothing to dissuade me from that belief.

    I think that some czars are necessary and some aren't. Always have, always will.
    Which Czars were you against when Bush was in office? before Bush? Did you think what they did to Josh Bolton was right? Should all Czars be confirmed by Congress?

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    Which Czars were you against when Bush was in office? before Bush?
    As I said, I think some are quite necessary. If you want to produce a list of them, I could pick some out for you. I don't think a federal school safety czar is all that necessary, for example.
    Did you think what they did to Josh Bolton was right?
    What did "they" do to Josh Bolten?
    Should all Czars be confirmed by Congress?
    No.

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