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    You don't know? Sounds about right.
    Well then what is it? What was Bush's strategy and what did he change it to?

    It's october, so it's been ten months, not nine. So do you disagree with BHO saying he was pulling out of Iraq regardless if we were winning or losing?

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    Well then what is it? What was Bush's strategy and what did he change it to?
    He had no initial strategy of occupation since Rummy thought they would be out in a couple of months.

    It's october, so it's been ten months, not nine.
    When did Obama take office?

    Give me a date.

    Then take today's date.

    then count the number of months between the dates.

    Do you really need your hand held that much?

    So do you disagree with BHO saying he was pulling out of Iraq regardless if we were winning or losing?
    Bush said we already won.



    Besides, the Iraqi government wants us out. You want to occupy a sovereign nation against their will. Sounds about right.

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    Now ing because the man played some basketball??

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    He had no initial strategy of occupation since Rummy thought they would be out in a couple of months.
    Your arguement was it taking Bush four years to come up with a new strategy. What does this have to do with that? Do you forget all the Dem's who echoed those same words?

    When did Obama take office?

    Give me a date.

    Then take today's date.

    then count the number of months between the dates.
    The number of months in between Jan 20, 2009 and today, Oct 10 are 10. Not 10 full months, 10 months. Just because we haven't hit the 20th of October doesn't mean October hasn't started. 10 MONTHS into Obama's presidency.




    Bush said we already won.


    You wonder why your statements carry no credibility.
    "Mission Accomplished," refers to a banner led "Mission Accomplished" that was displayed on the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln during a televised address by United States President George W. Bush on May 1, 2003 and the controversy that followed.
    Bush stated at the time that this was the end to major combat operations in Iraq. While this statement did coincide with an end to the conventional phase of the war, Bush's assertion — and the sign itself — became controversial after guerilla warfare in Iraq increased during the Iraqi insurgency. The vast majority of casualties, among both coalition (approximately 98% as of October 2008) and Iraqi combatants, and among Iraqi civilians, has occurred since the speech.
    "Mission accomplished" is a phrase that has long been associated with completing a mission. In recent years, it has been particularly associated with this event
    The banner stating "Mission Accomplished" was a focal point of controversy and criticism. Navy Commander and Pentagon spokesman Conrad Chun said the banner referred specifically to the aircraft carrier's 10-month deployment (which was the longest deployment of a carrier since the Vietnam War) and not the war itself, saying "It truly did signify a mission accomplished for the crew"
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_Accomplished
    Besides, the Iraqi government wants us out. You want to occupy a sovereign nation against their will. Sounds about right.
    Obama said he would pull out of Iraq, and that the Surge wouldn't work and didn't work before Maleki said that.

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    Your arguement was it taking Bush four years to come up with a new strategy. What does this have to do with that? Do you forget all the Dem's who echoed those same words?
    This has everything to do with your being a hypocrite about Obama. All of the sudden, you declare the current strategy in Afghanistan (Bush's) to be a failure and that it must be changed instantly because that's what presidents always do. If you read the book, you'd know that wasn't true.

    The number of months in between Jan 20, 2009 and today, Oct 10 are 10. Not 10 full months, 10 months. Just because we haven't hit the 20th of October doesn't mean October hasn't started. 10 MONTHS into Obama's presidency.
    So 10 - 1 = 10 to you.



    You wonder why your statements carry no credibility.
    He said major combat operations were over in Iraq.

    They were not.

    He and you thought it would all be flowers and cheap oil after that.

    That did not happen.

    Obama said he would pull out of Iraq, and that the Surge wouldn't work and didn't work before Maleki said that.
    Actually the Iraqis had been wanting a firm date for US withdrawal for years. I think no matter how long we stay, as soon as we leave and stop paying the various factions to not kill each other, they will start killing each other again.

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    Look, the real question in the Afghanistan/Pakistan theater is whether to attempt to eradicate Al Qaeda or Al Qaeda AND the Taliban. Unless you are calling for genocide and a permanent full scale US occupation of the region, the second option may prove impossible to pull off. That is what is being debated right now.

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    This has everything to do with your being a hypocrite about Obama. All of the sudden, you declare the current strategy in Afghanistan (Bush's) to be a failure and that it must be changed instantly because that's what presidents always do. If you read the book, you'd know that wasn't true.
    So 10 - 1 = 10 to you.
    J+F+M+A+M+J+J+A+S+O=10.



    He said major combat operations were over in Iraq.

    They were not.

    He and you thought it would all be flowers and cheap oil after that.

    That did not happen.

    Actually the Iraqis had been wanting a firm date for US withdrawal for years. I think no matter how long we stay, as soon as we leave and stop paying the various factions to not kill each other, they will start killing each other again.
    1."Bush stated at the time that this was the end to major combat operations in Iraq. While this statement did coincide with an end to the conventional phase of the war,"
    2. No one planned on stealing their oil except Dems and lib-terrorist conspirators. The oil fields were the less populated area and easiest to guard and defend. If we wanted to do that, we could of. Dumbass.
    3. The fact that you think Maliki wanted us to leave makes me think you didn't read that book or anything about the Iraq war except little excerpts from HuffPost and DailyKos.
    Speaking of hypocrisy. Where is the demands for timeline for withdrawal from all you libs? Obama has more soldiers deployed in Afghan and Iraq than Bush ever did.

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    J+F+M+A+M+J+J+A+S+O=10.
    Stupid. So, if I go camp in Yosemite on the 30th of June, I was there for a month?

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    J+F+M+A+M+J+J+A+S+O=10.
    Yes, and that's a year to you, idiot.

    1."Bush stated at the time that this was the end to major combat operations in Iraq. While this statement did coincide with an end to the conventional phase of the war,"
    Right. Turns out it wasn't the end of major combat operations.

    2. No one planned on stealing their oil except Dems and lib-terrorist conspirators. The oil fields were the less populated area and easiest to guard and defend. If we wanted to do that, we could of. Dumbass.
    the administration expected the Iraqi oil to pay for the US occupation and rebuilding of Iraq, dummy.

    3. The fact that you think Maliki wanted us to leave makes me think you didn't read that book or anything about the Iraq war except little excerpts from HuffPost and DailyKos.
    Except he wanted a firm withdrawal date early on.

    Speaking of hypocrisy. Where is the demands for timeline for withdrawal from all you libs? Obama has more soldiers deployed in Afghan and Iraq than Bush ever did.
    I didn't want the invasion of Iraq in the first place. All it did was distract from the real problem in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Now that we finally have a timeline for withdrawal in Iraq we can concentrate on Afghanistan.

    Bush ed up by invading Iraq, and then he ed up the occupation several times. I'm sorry any president had to clean up his messes, but that's the way it happened.

    Because Bush ed up.

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    Bush's banner MISSION ACCOMPLISHED was referring to the end of conventional, major combat warfare. The Iraqi government of saddam was taken down and so was his military.

    the conflict going on in Iraq right now does not mean Bush was wrong. Bush was talking about the actual war between Saddam and USA. That -was- mission accomplished.


    What the USA fights now is just rebels/freedom fighters and terrorists

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    Stupid. So, if I go camp in Yosemite on the 30th of June, I was there for a month?
    Yeah I went to HEB the entire month of October last Tuesday.

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    Stupid. So, if I go camp in Yosemite on the 30th of June, I was there for a month?
    10 days away from it being 10 months, who cares. it's 2/3 of the way there, closer to 10 than to 9

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    Bush's banner MISSION ACCOMPLISHED was referring to the end of conventional, major combat warfare.
    When was the battle of Fallujah? That turned out to be quite conventional major combat warfare.

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    10 days away from it being 10 months

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    Well then what is it? What was Bush's strategy and what did he change it to?

    It's october, so it's been ten months, not nine. So do you disagree with BHO saying he was pulling out of Iraq regardless if we were winning or losing?
    you are what i hate

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    These dumbasses think they were one year old when they were born.

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    I was 10 months old when I was born and made a year within a couple of months..

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    i was 3 years old when i was born.

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    When was the battle of Fallujah? That turned out to be quite conventional major combat warfare.
    Conventional warfare is a form of warfare conducted by using conventional military weapons and battlefield tactics between two or more states in open confrontation. The forces on each side are well-defined, and fight using weapons that primarily target the opposing army.


    you lose, american asshole.

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    Conventional warfare is a form of warfare conducted by using conventional military weapons and battlefield tactics between two or more states in open confrontation. The forces on each side are well-defined, and fight using weapons that primarily target the opposing army.


    you lose, american asshole.
    nice definition, where'd you borrow it from?

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    Conventional warfare is a form of warfare conducted by using conventional military weapons and battlefield tactics between two or more states in open confrontation. The forces on each side are well-defined, and fight using weapons that primarily target the opposing army.


    you lose, american asshole.
    Where did you get this definition?

    Your ass?

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    Conventional warfare is a form of warfare conducted by using conventional military weapons and battlefield tactics between two or more states in open confrontation. The forces on each side are well-defined, and fight using weapons that primarily target the opposing army.
    Sounds about right.


    you lose, american asshole.
    Do you know about the Battle of Fallujah?

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    nice definition, where'd you borrow it from?
    Where did you get this definition?

    Your ass?
    Even better -- wikipedia!

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    from your mother.

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