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    yes, please don't turn into those few ignorant fans like the rockets have about how poor ariza has been playing.

    wait till the regular season before we say anything.

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    Vaughn gave us exactly what we signed him to do. A third string point who could go out on the floor and not embarrass himself if/when Beno decided to shat himself in that role.

    Boggans will be asked to provide nothing more than situational defense...unless players ahead of him crap themselves and/or get injured.

    Arggg, some fans will never be happy until the 15th guy on the bench is a recent all-star.

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    Okay... looks like another bad day for Mr. Bogans.

    Box score shows: 21 minutes of play, 0-6 from the field, 1 assist, 2 turnovers.

    Saving grace: 3 rebounds and 1 steal.

    Can some one explain to me why Bogans is not the second coming of Jacque Vaughn.

    JV2 is exactly what he is. He sucks ass.

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    Don't belittle JV. He was a great 3rd string point guard, no more no less.
    Amen, brother. JV did his job and made his contribution.

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    I hate Spurs fans.

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    Don't call me timvp...I am my own person and post my own thoughts. I'm not like some posters on here that need someone to feed them thoughts about the games in order to develop opinions.

    The fact that you are calling him a journeyman scrub and putting him behind a player that spent the whole season last year in the D-league shows how little you actually know about him. Again...you are taking statistics from three preseason games with a brand new team where Bogans knows very little about the offensive or defensive schemes. Hairston has not even shown that he can be an NBA player yet...while Bogans has been getting rotation minutes on NBA teams for 6 years, including the playoffs. Can Hairston break out this year? He most certainly can...and I am pulling for him to do so. I even said that Hairston had a good chance to get minutes head of Bogans, even though you lied and said that I said otherwise.

    But it all comes down to where we are right now. Labeling players this or that before they have even seen a minute of the regular season this year is pretty shortsighted.
    I have to admit I really didn't know much about Bogans when I posted my opinion which was a poor choice on my part. I now know that he was a stud in college but seems to have had an unremarkable career in the NBA so far. His career numbers aren't exactly impressive to me, 39% from the field and 35% from 3. His entire playoff experience of 10 games his numbers dipped even more. Maybe he just hasn't found his niche yet. Some ppl here have said he was signed to be a "defensive specialist". From what I've seen of him he doesn't seem to overwhelming in that area either.

    As far as Hairston goes, just because he hasn't seen NBA action on a regular basis does not mean anything. Look at Von Wafer last year, he came in from the D leagues and gave the rockets a very solid backup wing. Now why couldn't Hairston do the same for the spurs? I think Popovich sometimes doesn't put enough faith in his young players, look what happened to George Hill last year. And it cost the spurs in the end, when Hill proved he belonged all along. I'd much rather invest in a young player with a high ceiling than settling for a journeyman scrub just because he has played 6 years in the league and seen the playoffs.

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    I have to admit I really didn't know much about Bogans when I posted my opinion which was a poor choice on my part. I now know that he was a stud in college but seems to have had an unremarkable career in the NBA so far. His career numbers aren't exactly impressive to me, 39% from the field and 35% from 3. His entire playoff experience of 10 games his numbers dipped even more. Maybe he just hasn't found his niche yet. Some ppl here have said he was signed to be a "defensive specialist". From what I've seen of him he doesn't seem to overwhelming in that area either.

    As far as Hairston goes, just because he hasn't seen NBA action on a regular basis does not mean anything. Look at Von Wafer last year, he came in from the D leagues and gave the rockets a very solid backup wing. Now why couldn't Hairston do the same for the spurs? I think Popovich sometimes doesn't put enough faith in his young players, look what happened to George Hill last year. And it cost the spurs in the end, when Hill proved he belonged all along. I'd much rather invest in a young player with a high ceiling than settling for a journeyman scrub just because he has played 6 years in the league and seen the playoffs.
    sometimes, all you want from that last wing on the bench is a guy who can come in and hold his own without embarrassing himself. the rest of the team is strong enough that you can go for stretches with a guy who can play in certain situations without making any monumental errors.

    once he gets his feet under him, i expect we will be able to consistently get from him what we saw from udoka at his best. that may disappoint some people if that's all he's worth, but there is a place for that on this team.

    there are no young players with high ceilings out there for us. hairston certainly has a higher ceiling than bogans at this stage...but malik's not likely to ever sniff an all-star team.

    that said, it's not an either/or proposition, we should be keeping both.

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    I think we all know what we're talking about when we compare someone with JV.

    We are talking about a veteran without much talent, but because he doesn't do much (and therefore doesn't make errors) eats up playing time to the detriment of other more talented players.
    Using this formula, can we refer to Haislip as James White! 2? You know, the youtube dunking sensation with some success at levels below the NBA that occupies a roster spot and a minumum salary slot to be a practice player?

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    Using this formula, can we refer to Haislip as James White! 2? You know, the youtube dunking sensation with some success at levels below the NBA that occupies a roster spot and a minumum salary slot to be a practice player?
    No no! That was the Dirk/Gasol stopper! How dare you!

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    I have to admit I really didn't know much about Bogans when I posted my opinion which was a poor choice on my part. I now know that he was a stud in college but seems to have had an unremarkable career in the NBA so far. His career numbers aren't exactly impressive to me, 39% from the field and 35% from 3. His entire playoff experience of 10 games his numbers dipped even more. Maybe he just hasn't found his niche yet. Some ppl here have said he was signed to be a "defensive specialist". From what I've seen of him he doesn't seem to overwhelming in that area either.
    I've watched him some over the last couple of seasons, and every team I have seen him on he seems to hustle well and play good defense while knocking down a few threes here and there. As we get into the season we will know more about what we have in him.
    As far as Hairston goes, just because he hasn't seen NBA action on a regular basis does not mean anything. Look at Von Wafer last year, he came in from the D leagues and gave the rockets a very solid backup wing. Now why couldn't Hairston do the same for the spurs? I think Popovich sometimes doesn't put enough faith in his young players, look what happened to George Hill last year. And it cost the spurs in the end, when Hill proved he belonged all along. I'd much rather invest in a young player with a high ceiling than settling for a journeyman scrub just because he has played 6 years in the league and seen the playoffs.
    As K-State Spur said, we will probably be keeping both...so there is really not much of a discussion in regards to either/or. It's as simple as putting them both out there and the player that plays better will earn the minutes. Hairston showed some flashes last year but he wasn't ready and it was the right decision to leave him on the Toros to develop. This year he looks much more comfortable and has a much better shot at being in the rotation.

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    Posted on October 2009.

    My predictions have come true!

    Keith Bogans is indeed Jaque Vaughn 2!

    For all those naysayers out there, eat your words!!!

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    While I don't think you got it right, considering that JV fit his role fine and Keef hasn't, shows that didn't get it right. AND ...
    with YOU, as opposed to someone else who remembers your perceived brilliance, bringing up an old thread instead of linking to it just seems self-serving.

    I could be wrong...but what if I'm right?

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