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They already do.
They have for years.
They just don't tell.
So what's the problem?
...in the military. They have served this country with distinction, honor, and bravery. I dare say that, without them, our military would not be as efficient a killing machine as it is today.
I do have a serious question, however, regarding the repeal of the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell," policy.
Will members of the armed forces be required to declare their sexual orientation on enlistment? I mean, after all, we don't let heterosexual, opposite sex, members bunk or shower together. Wouldn't it be just as much of an issue to allow sexual, same sex, members bunk or shower together?
If you consider the reasons why it's not allowed for heterosexuals, makes sense you'd segregate sexuals too.
Dead serious question.
The "Don't Ask, Don't Tell," policy was never about not wanting gays in the military, it was to prevent the problem of having to accommodate all the different sexual orientations.
Now, we're going to have to have men's, women's, gay men, and gay women's barracks and showers. Otherwise, you're opening yourself for harassment complaints just as if you'd bunked or made heterosexual females bunk and shower with heterosexual males.
Just saying...someone enlighten me.
Besides, this forum has gone stale since we all pretty much agree Obama is a up, (even if you won't admit it). , I commented on a thread two or three days ago and it's still on the first page. There's just no fire in here anymore...
They already do.
They have for years.
They just don't tell.
So what's the problem?
Come to think of it, segregating the sexuals isn't going to prevent the problem currently behind why we segregate opposite sex heterosexuals.
We may have to pair a sexual males with sexual females so they won't be tempted to engage in a sexual relationship. But, that's impractical, isn't it?
Why not just require everyone to bunk and shower with everyone else and just get over their sexual hang ups...
But, wait, that's kind of back to "Don't Ask and Don't Tell," Except that heterosexuals would be precluded from declaring their sexual orientation so that heterosexuals of the opposite sex wouldn't be uncomfortable.
, I don't know the answer...
Talk amongst yourselves.
So, If they don't tell that they're heterosexual, can they bunk and shower with the opposite sex?
That was easy.
Good talk everyone.
No.
You're an idiot.
Dead serious statement.
And, the problem is, why would a heterosexual, same sex member of the military be any less comfortable showering with a sexual than an opposite sex heterosexual would be showering with another heterosexual?
Why do we segregate the sexes?
Heterosexuals already shower with sexuals of the same sex in the military.
Did your parents never have this talk with you?Why do we segregate the sexes?
Why not, it's the same premise.
We don't allow opposite sex, heterosexuals to shower and bunk together because 1) we don't want sexual relationships occurring on government time and 2) it's hard to prevent unwanted advances and harassment.
I don't understand why the concerns wouldn't be the same for sexuals sharing the shower with other sexuals and, in fact, compounded by heterosexuals of the same sex being subject to harassment.
See, it all comes down to the phobe fantasy that every sexual wants to have sex with said phobe.
You're an idiot, and sexuals do not want to have sex with you.
Get over it.
Yes, but because of "Don't ask, Don't tell," there's less of a chance that a sexual would jeopardize his career doing what a heterosexual would do if allowed to shower with the opposite sexx.
Yeah. And, my premise is a logical extension of why we segregate the sexes.
There's your fantasy I was talking about.
Actually, it doesn't. That's like saying we should let heterosexuals shower together and those involved should just get over the fact that the people they're showering with have a sexual orientation that might lead them to want to have sex with you...particularly since you're standing naked, right there in front of them.
That's fine. In a shower full of girls there'd probably be a few I wouldn't want to have sex with either. But, there's a good chance there'd be a few I would.
I think it's a legitimate question.
We don't require women and men to shower together because heterosexuals look and the opposite sex in sexual terms...and in intimate settings like a bunk or shower, it's exacerbated.
Are you saying sexuals don't have similar sex drives?
They can't declare if they are or hetero since military pprwk is hard to change and they can just choose to switch preferences.
just ask the question yoni, will gay guys walk around with a boner in the showers?
It seems as if yoni is afraid that if we repeal d.a.d.t. our military will be too busy ing themselves in the ass to defend us.
Yoni assumes there are no -erotic predations, harassment, rapes by "non-gay" military on their same sex colleagues.
Yoni assumes that all gay military would be predatory sexual offenders and therefore must be segregated.
Both assumptions are blatantly wrong.
Not at all. Seems you're saying opposite sex heterosexuals should be able to bunk and shower together. Or, you're saying sexuals aren't sexually attracted to the same sex and being exposed to a room full of naked potential paramours would have no affect on them whatsoever.
No, I don't. There are.
No, I don't. I'm merely suggesting that it doesn't make sense to not segregate if there is a legitimate reason for segregating opposite sex heterosexuals.
Yes, they are...but, they weren't my assumptions.
Would heterosexual males walk around with a boner in a shower full of females?
I bet some would.
I'm betting DADT stays in place. But, of course -- as some in here will point out -- I've been wrong before.
Then again, Gitmo is still open.
Yep. I am indeed saying that s and heteros of the same sex should be able to bunk together and shower together. Just as they are doing now.
Then, why not heteros of opposite sex?
Forget it Yoni. Liberals never think that far. I think they are incapable of thinking more than two steps ahead.
I'm sure they have a rationale behind why it's okay to bunk sexuals with the same sex but not heterosexuals of opposite sexes. I'd just like to hear it.
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