Reply With Quote
Look, I tout evolution as much as anyone else, but I don't bring creationism into it. It's the religion that has the issue with it.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/science...sil/index.html
This should be a fun thread.The creature's discovery has astounded scientists because their age puts them within two recognized groups of pterodactyls -- primitive long-tailed forms and advanced short-tail forms -- and they display characteristics of both.
Look, I tout evolution as much as anyone else, but I don't bring creationism into it. It's the religion that has the issue with it.
Good luck with that.
"God in the gaps" is good enough for a lot of people.
But I am reasonably sure that the earth is nestled in the branches of ygddrasil. Odin created it that way, and "evolution" is simplly Loki's way of making true warriors stray from the path.
It'd be better if you posted a picture of Thor instead of Hercules there.
I have known 9 yr olds that can argue religion well. Anyone over 25 that does is sorta behind the learning curve.
Tweaking people on religion, or atheism is better left to teenagers.
Cmon now, I rarely participate in the usual fact-less flame-war diatribes... can't I have some fun too?
Ah yes.
The enlightened, powerful, elitist mind of the non-believer.
Condescending to the last.
Bravo.
There is a physical explanation for all that has ever happened, and all that is written in the Bible. Curing the blind, feeding the masses, parting the Red Sea - I'm sure that if we could return to those sights, at those times with the cast of CSI, we would know EXACTLY why and how those stories got told. It still doesn't mean there is no God. I still have faith in God. I think His creation is that much more miraculous.
I pity intellectually dishonest believers who claim it is all done with a snap of his fingers and a flash of light; they fail to see the sublime beauty that is life and its evolution - and the fascinating, meaningful discoveries advanced science provides.
I pity the non-believers who have faith that this is all one big happy accident, and fail to recognize the sublime beauty of the gift that we have been given.
Depends on your definition of fun I guess. It was fun for me to jibe people who believed in gods for a few yrs. Then I realized I liked them (on the whole) more than most of the atheists I listened to...so, I stopped.
But, I get your point...I can good naturedly banter with my religious friends. , I go to church twice a week
Mostly religious debates aren't really good natured tho. More of "Your an idiot for believing fairy tales, and here's why I'm so much smarter than you are cuz I don't believe in those fairy tales."
Seen too many large egoed (is that a word?) atheists trying to show how much smarter they are to enjoy the debates any longer. Most christians and churches do more good for their communities and friends, than most organized atheists groups do. And that's good enough for me.
i'll wager no one changes any ones mind in this thread. and i'll double the bet we see another one just like it in a few weeks.
Yes, because THAT rant surely did not come off as condescending or elitist.
Yes, I agree there's no way to prove the existence of God. I would say that proof of some of the miracles that occur in the Bible is quite slim, but I wouldn't presume to argue there is no god/gods.
Agreed.
Are you saying atheists can't believe that this was a happy accident AND recognize how lucky we are to be alive? The two are not mutually exclusive.
That's probably because Christians are bound together by a common set of ideals, beliefs, values, etc etc, whereas the only things binding atheists together is a shared lack of belief, and nothing more, definitionally speaking. (Most atheists seem to share generally liberal views but that is not a universal truth.)
And most people won't change their political views 180 either, but we still all blather about those.
By design, thanks for noticing.Yes, because THAT rant surely did not come off as condescending or elitist.
It is no easier to prove there is no God. Try it. Look up the greatest minds among the atheist set - check out their theories as to HOW all of this came to be (not life on earth, .. the existence of anything in the first place). It EASILY takes as much faith as believing in God.Yes, I agree there's no way to prove the existence of God. I would say that proof of some of the miracles that occur in the Bible is quite slim, but I wouldn't presume to argue there is no god/gods.
ThanksAgreed.
No, anyone can believe anything they would like.Are you saying atheists can't believe that this was a happy accident AND recognize how lucky we are to be alive? The two are not mutually exclusive.
i think he is saying that atheists should not dismiss the believers faith in an en y responsible for existence anymore than an atheist would not dismiss his or her's notion of pure chance.
it's all metaphysical assumption.
so i can understand the need to argue evolution as that is science but anything beyond that is just philosophy. science should only be concerned with tautology.
What makes Christians donate to charity in much higher numbers - and at a higher clip? It doesn't take an organization to cause one to feel compassion for his fellow man, and sacrifice for him/her.That's probably because Christians are bound together by a common set of ideals, beliefs, values, etc etc, whereas the only things binding atheists together is a shared lack of belief, and nothing more, definitionally speaking. (Most atheists seem to share generally liberal views but that is not a universal truth.)
And most people won't change their political views 180 either, but we still all blather about those.
...and the rest of my answer; why I feel that as a gift, creation is more special;
If you find $10 bucks it feels good, but if your child saves and gives you $1 - it feels better. Gifts are better than accidents. To feel the love of one that would give you everything (up to and including his life) is good.
Where you been, RG?
Entertaining movie:
That is, no doubt, the view of most Christians many Atheists have. No wonder the condescension.
Maybe all of us atheists are greedy because we don't think we're going to get a second chance later?
Sorry, but you missed the point of the movie.
It was about being open minded. Nobody knows the truth anyway.
Eh, it's not quite the same. Getting 10 dollars isn't exactly the serendipity I'm talking about.
I'd like to think that some of the good fortunes in my life weren't "given" to me, and maybe I didn't "earn" them either, but they've just happened, and I feel all the luckier for it. But whatever works for you
Didn't see the movie; saw your clip; in that clip the "believer" was an ignorant neophyte.
OK, you didnīt watch the movie.
It could be the other way around. The religious man standing, and the atheist on the chair. Itīs the same.
The movie is about the stupidity of attacking people for thinking different.
There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)
Posting Permissions
