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KANSAS CITY, Kan. - A salesman says he was fired for voting for Barack Obama, after his boss sent an email to all employees warning that he would fire them if they dared to do that.
He claims Matthew Brandt, the owner of KK Office Solutions, sent the email threat to "All Employees" on Oct. 29, 2008 warning them "to rethink your vote on November 4th."
Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Lu ck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_ Snell sued KK Office Solutions in Wyandotte County Court. The email warned that if Obama were elected, all salespeople will have to pool their sales commissions to give underachieving salespeople a "fair shake;" that hourly employees will pool their wages, including overtime, to help those who are "too busy to for overtime;" that top management was to be referred to as "the government," and would be exempt from pooling because the law doesn't apply to it; and that the last few people hired "should clean out their desks."
The email, included in the complaint, continued: "Don't feel bad though, because President Obama will give you free healthcare, free handouts, free oil for heating your home, free food stamps, and he'll let you stay in hour home for as long as you want even if you can't pay your mortgage. If you appeal directly to our democratic congress [sic], you might even get a free flat screen TV and a coupon for free haircuts ..." It concludes: "If for any reason you are not happy with the new policies, you many want to rethink your vote on November 4th," followed by Brandt's signature and le.
Snell says he openly supported Obama, and was fired on Nov. 20, 2008, despite acquiring more than $300,000 in accounts during his 6 months with KK Office Solutions.
He seeks reinstatement, lost pay and damages of $1.2 million. He is represented by Lawrence Williamson.
http://www.courthousenews.com/2009/1...ma_center_.htm
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Hm.. brings up the question: Should a boss be able to fire his employers for any reason? I'm on the fence on this issue.
At least the boss gave him two weeks before he was fired. I never thought it fair that workers had to give two weeks notice for good etiquette, but workers could be let off in a day.
I saw a lot of this kind of talk from employers on the Hannity board around the election. They kept saying how they'd find out who voted for him and replace him with a good conservative.
no doubt and that is why i always give the middle finger and say peace out when i am spent working for some . 2 wk notices! time is money!
Probably not and this company should be held liable.
But if I were a small business owner, I'd most likely find an ulterior reason to fire a qualified employee if I knew they were a Republican- depending on the brand. Or just not hire them in the first place.
Being explicit and crazy about it shouldn't be legal though.
So you're just as bad as this asshole. Good to know.
Bingo.
Although the boss is an asshole, the victim should have been aware of one major basic rule:
Votes are confidential
Subversively. He was explicit and crazy about it.
Quite frankly, I don't want Palinites working on my hypothetical company's behalf, for the same reason I don't want mormon doctors working on my body's behalf. There are a handful of basic litmus tests in life- and if people come up crazy on the political/religious test, how can their decision making be trusted in any other capacity? I shouldn't have used the word 'qualified' earlier.
Anybody watch Curb the other night?
I guess my question is: as an employer, should you have the right to fire someone freely, whenever you want? I mean, it is YOUR business. If you want to fire someone because they piss you off, why should one be forced to lie about it?
Of course, using that logic, you get into the very real fact that if people could fire for nearly anything, you'd have lots of gay/minority/etc etc having trouble finding jobs. Libertarian (and some conservative) thought would have us say that's the free market at work, but the truth is that the free market is not always rational.
So, where should the linebe drawn? Should political leanings be protected the same as racial/sexual orientation/etc etc issues?
(Note: i'm not saying I disagree the man has a case; I'm just wondering what the board thinks is acceptable for hiring/firing purposes, and if anyone has knowledge on the actual law, that's great too.)
"Should a boss be able to fire his employers for any reason"
This Is America. Employees have NO rights, no recourse, no unions, no solidarity from other intimidated employees.
Employers can abuse them any old way and get away with it.
Employers LOVE high unemployment rates, it keeps the employees scared and compliant, letting the boss up to his heart's content, employees taking no responsibility or initiative, keeping their heads down.
There was story this week about a high-up guy on Wall St who refused to "think positively" and warned about the impending subprime toxic mess his company was facing. He was fired.
Yeah, I hear that stuff around me too. Hannity isn't even a conservative, he's a neoconservative.
If that is true the guy who was canned will win. Hopefully the boss doesn't own the company and he gets canned for sending out a piece of e-mail like that. Everyone knows the 3 rules of work, Don't talk sex,religion or politics. I gurantee you noone I ever have worked with knows I think gays are gross, what religion I am and perhaps a few can guess who I voted for.
Personally, I say.... sort of.
I have no problems with people firing someone due to just about any reason (big exception being in cases surrounding sexual harassment). If a boss doesn't get along with someone, they should be able to replace them with someone they will.
it's called "at will".
I have many employees who voted for Obama. I have employees that voted for McCain.
If they are still employees, they are good at their jobs, and I could give two s if they voted for LaRouche! Business owners who operate differently won't be business owners for long; no need for it to be illegal.
Next headline will read:
Business Owner Sued into Bankruptcy!
There is "at will" employment all across the nation, I realize that. But this is the easiest slam dunk case ever.
Im no lawyer, bet I could win this one.
i don't think what this guy did has a thing to do with "at will".
Depends on the State. In Texas the business owner wins that one - although he'd probably have to pay a portion of the unemployment benefit.
At will means for any damn reason the employer chooses. Doesn't like your socks; see ya. What you ate for breakfast? Bye. That's not hyperbole. Just can't discriminate based on the stuff explicitly stated (unless you want to challenge that you are not subject to Federal control under the 14th amendment through the Interstate Commerce clause - and some have successfully done that).
Plenty of small business owners do not hire women simply to avoid any potential sexual harassment drama that may arise. Just as police can manipulate the discretion game to hit an exception to the 4th amendment, business owners can play the game too.
you know i know.
, one time i fired a french guy because he smelled nice. i did it just to reinforce the sterotype.
however, i wouldn't demand that my employees vote for my guy. thats a bit too anti-american..... wouldn't you agree?
I already posted about that:
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