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you ever been to the south? thats a pretty broad statement regarding owner behavior.
you ever been to the south? thats a pretty broad statement regarding owner behavior.
My company is located in the office complex at 410 and Callaghan.
Just saying; people who run business by not making business decisions get their asses kicked eventually.thats a pretty broad statement regarding owner behavior.
i mention mindset, you supply an address....ok
...broad....Just saying; people who run business by not making business decisions get their asses kicked eventually.
South = mindset.
Got it.
(I live in Pa, and have mentioned it, thought you were asking literally.
O.K....broad....
Democrats aren't a protected class. If he wants to share with his boss for whom he voted, after being told he'd be fired for it, he's an idiot.
Yes you should be able to hire or fire anyone from a business that you own for any reason of your choosing. That being said, you're only asking for trouble if you're blatant about doing specifically over political views. But yoni is right. Democrats aren't a protected class so I don't see how this guy has a case.
oh oh Mussolini should be next to come. whites are going to be lynched. we are doomed as a nation!
Wow... You liberals never cease to amaze me at your reaction to only part of the facts. You allow a story that tells you what to think, make you think that way. You all like being good little lemmings?
How many of you read the e-mail?
It said nothing about firing someone who disagree. It was a parody of bringing to the workplace Obama ideals.
My instinct tells me he was fired for being outspoken about Obama and probably was a disruption to the workplace environment.
Liable for what? True or not, they will have a reason why he was fired. The e-mail alone will have no merit in such a consideration, especially as far fetched as it was.
Who was crazy? The boss writing a joke email, or the fanatic who disrupts the workplace? Yes, I know he might not be a fanatic, but that scenario is more likely to me.
I agree that a small business owner should be able to do as he or she pleases in that regard. Once it's a corporate en y with stock holders, or a government position, other considerations come into play. I'm on the fence with that, but when it's no longer a solely, partnered en y, etc. I think the standards can change.
Even though we conservatives are more likely to be fired for our beliefs by liberals than the other way around, I say no. I disagree with all special rights.
What case?
Did you read the e-mail?
This is a frivolous lawsuit.
I only talk politics with the three others in my work group, and not other employees. Being a technical field dealing with real sciences, only one is a liberal, so it's 3:1!
He sometimes asks us to stop, but we try not to piss each other off.
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Well I would recommend not putting it in writing if that is the case.
The man must have been an under performing salesman. How many of you think that sales of $300,000 of sales is good for six months? If he gets as high as a 10% commission, that's $60,000 annual. Why isn't the previous six months listed I wonder for and annual determination?
Oh...
KK Office Solutions wins "Best Workplace Awards."
Field set for 2009 Best Places to Work honors
Best Places to Work winners selected (2008)
Supports my thought this guy was a disruption at the workplace.
Why are you liberas such lemmings? Don't you ever fact check?
Response to ABC news by the owner:
Mr. Snells claim of being terminated because he voted for Obama is complete nonsense. I have no idea who he voted for and don't care.
Mr. Snell was terminated for his sales performance. I wasn't even in the meeting when it was decided to let him go, nor was I in the actual meeting to let him go.
Both the descion and actual termination were done by my management in KC. I have 40 employees in my company and assuming that Mr. obama was voted in by 53% of the popular vote it would only stand to reason that half of my company voted for him.
Why them would I only fire Mr. Snell and not half of the company? Mr. Snell knows fully well why he was fired and is very clear that it wasn't because of who he voted for.
Thanks for hearing our side.
Matthew Brandt
President/CEO
KK Office Solutions Inc.
I haven't seen the e-mail or how his vote was disclosed but his complaint/suit is specifically towards the e-mail thread that if he voted for Obama, he would be fired, despite voter confidentiality protections and prsecutions provided under law.
If there was in fact a threat, It does have merit under the law.
Regardless of the facts in this case, I don't think employers should have the right to fire employees who use their freedom of speech while off the job, with some exceptions. An employer should not have the right to control any legal behavior while you are off the job, with some exceptions. The exceptions would be wrt confidential information of the employer (trade secrets, customer list, etc.) and deliberately harming the employer's reputation.
Not long ago, there was a thread about Obama wanting an insurance company, which had Medicare contracts, to shut up. According to some here, Obama should be able to "fire" the company at will.
Wow... There was no such threat in the email.
You started the thread, but you didn't read the linked material to what you started?
Bad form...
Wait... That's the normal liberal lemming Modus operandi... I'm sorry, that's just how you guys operate. Silly me. I forgot you guys don't fact check. Must have got it from the Huffington Post also?
There was no threat. What you linked is for gossip girls.
Here. This link was in the article you linked:
Case # 09CV1714
Yeah, true or not? No matter. I disagree about the email- it didn't seem far fetched at all. It seemed fairly typical of the conservative base.
I have no idea. Both. It's an inappropriate subject.Who was crazy? The boss writing a joke email, or the fanatic who disrupts the workplace? Yes, I know he might not be a fanatic, but that scenario is more likely to me.
If the fired employee were such a fanatic that it caused disruption in the workplace, it's a way different argument than if the employee was fired based on his or her vote alone. Personally, I think you should be able to fire someone for either, but each case merits a totally different level of discretion. And probably legality.
this.I agree that a small business owner should be able to do as he or she pleases in that regard. Once it's a corporate en y with stock holders, or a government position, other considerations come into play. I'm on the fence with that, but when it's no longer a solely, partnered en y, etc. I think the standards can change.
The funny thing is that I actually Know an "El-liot" Snell. However, he is more rightwing (more nutjob, less conservative) than most.
There was a threat in the "recently rehired should clean out there desks", and "if they dispute such an act, they should reconsider their vote."
the suit alleges a contract, and a breach of that contract. if that's true, it's not a simple case of an at-will employee being fired.
It would be interesting to compare the comments made here by the usual conservative crowd to what they said when that girl faked being attacked by an Obama supporter during the election.
I am sure it went something along the lines of "how crappy obama supporters must be to do something like this...".
Does ANYBODY here doubt for a nanosecond that Yonivore et al. would be SCREAMING BLOODY MURDER if it had been someone with a Palin bumper sticker fired because their boss was an Obama supporter?
My god man!!!... oh wait...
Fired for voting for Obama, hey makes perfect sense to me. The guy who voted for
him has to be dumb as dumb can be. He obviously couldn't perform. I think it would
hold up in any court. Bet the fired guy wanted his check mailed to his house so he
would have to go pick it up at the end of the week while he watched Oprah.
I think whottt was ing about something similar in his event services job. That would be a fun thread to revisit.
whottt says frank irwin jr, his boss is a hardcore ron paul supporter and he gives him floor seats next to kevin durant for not being a neolib
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