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  1. #51
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    If Tony Parker's better than Chris Paul, Brandon Roy is better than Kobe Bryant.
    What, yer extorting me, red? If I insist on TP, I don't get Bryant over Roy?

  2. #52
    Poppin' Champagne badfish22's Avatar
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    Yer like DUNCAN, everything to you guys is stats.

    Parker is a winner.
    Iverson is a loser.
    Nash is a loser.
    Paul? He's twixt a winner and a loser.

    Im I hearing this right?

    You would rather have Parker than Paul?? Is that a joke?

    Paul is the best PG in the league by far, and will be for awhile.

  3. #53
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    What, yer extorting me, red? If I insist on TP, I don't get Bryant over Roy?
    No, I'm just using re logic like you.

    But since you think Chris Paul isn't franchise player, please tell me who would have done better than Paul did last season.

  4. #54
    the ovens are our hearts. BlackBellamy's Avatar
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    What, yer extorting me, red? If I insist on TP, I don't get Bryant over Roy?
    You're getting two seperate things between Paul and Parker. They might as well be playing different positions. Hornets and Spurs teams as a whole are run on styles very distinct from one another. Parker might average more assists if it were necessary for him to dish since the beginning, if the Hornets had better passing big men his assists might slide ect. ect. Paul's stats might be slightly inflated since he has (for the most part) a rotating staff of sub-par talent with lack of chemistry to work with. That being said, I still believe that he is a franchise player. If you're the best at your position in the NBA, it would be hard not to be. IMO what ever productivity the Hornet's team has is because of Paul.

  5. #55
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    Im I hearing this right?

    You would rather have Parker than Paul?? Is that a joke?
    Yes, you're hearing it right. No, it's not a joke. I'm not talking about Paul getting a [look see] to make sure it's Duncan and Manu and not Paul. I'm talking about sight unseen, taking Paul & Parker and switching them out. NO! Parker was at the brink of utter failure. He was every teams targeted . He rose up off the mat to persevere....Hey! And get this: he never uttered a peep.

  6. #56
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    He's a little , but CP3 is also a franchise player. So is Dirk.

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    Yes, you're hearing it right. No, it's not a joke. I'm not talking about Paul getting a [look see] to make sure it's Duncan and Manu and not Paul. I'm talking about sight unseen, taking Paul & Parker and switching them out. NO! Parker was at the brink of utter failure. He was every teams targeted . He rose up off the mat to persevere....Hey! And get this: he never uttered a peep.
    That's all well and good, but how does that make Parker better than Paul? Yeah, he rose up and played at a worse level than Paul. Congatulations.

    Oh, and answer my question.

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    Why isn't culburn just resorting to his tee hee thing?

  9. #59
    The Timeless One Leetonidas's Avatar
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    This list sucks.

    The REAL franchise players in the NBA:

    1. James
    2. Duncan
    3. Nowitzki
    4. Bryant
    5. Wade
    6. Howard
    7. Paul
    8. Williams

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    That's all well and good, but how does that make Parker better than Paul? Yeah, he rose up and played at a worse level than Paul. Congatulations.

    Oh, and answer my question.
    No, I'm not answering your question, red.

    & I just got done explaining the difference between Paul & Parker. You just don't like my opinion. I know what I know. Doesn't make it right, just makes it my belief.

    ***And I didn't >tee, hee< because I ain't jackassin' around.

  11. #61
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    No, I'm not answering your question, red
    So, you think Paul isn't a franchise player, but you can't actually pick anybody who would have made the Hornets more successful last season?
    & I just got done explaining the difference between Paul & Parker. You just don't like my opinion. I know what I know. Doesn't make it right, just makes it my belief.
    Your opinion is nonsense. You would rather have Parker because he proved all of his doubters wrong? Because he has three rings?

    Paul is a better scorer. Oh, Parker has three rings, so it doesn't matter.
    Paul is a better passer. Oh, Parker has three rings, so it doesn't matter.
    Paul is a better rebounder. Oh, Parker has three rings, so it doesn't matter.
    Paul is better at getting steals. Oh, Parker has three rings, so it doesn't matter.

    And so on. Parker is a shoot first point guard, but Paul still manages to score more points than he does. You don't have an argument. Your opinion is stupid.

    It's amazing that you've posted 3,382 messages in such a short amount of time, but you have yet to actually say anything.

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    To be fair, if Paul had two other 20 PPG scorers on his team and a dominate player like Duncan, his numbers would drop. Still, CP3 is better than Parker.

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    It's amazing that you've posted 3,382 messages in such a short amount of time, but you have yet to actually say anything.
    I ain't here to impress or to convert anybody, red.

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    Take Garnett out and put Shaq in.
    Take Rondo out and put Ginobili in.

    And if Dany Granger makes the cut, there's no reason TP can't be there either...

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    Take Garnett out and put Shaq in.
    Take Rondo out and put Ginobili in.

    And if Dany Granger makes the cut, there's no reason TP can't be there either...
    I know that Rondo doesn't belong, but Ginobili doesn't belong on that list either. He has never lead an NBA team.

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    Well we need to define "lead". Some people bring up winning "x" amount of games. Well Pau Gasol led teams to 50 win seasons with his next best player being Mike Miller.

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    The definitive list of the NBA's franchise guys (and others)

    Pau Gasol: If you replace Kobe with a dude like Michael Redd and Gasol becomes the Lakers best player, L.A. can't win a championship, but it would still be a really good team, because Gasol is really good.
    If you replace Gasol with a dude like Michael Redd and Kobe becomes the Lakers best player, L.A. can't win a championship, but it would still be a really good team, because Kobe is really good.

    FIFY

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    Well Pau Gasol led teams to 50 win seasons with his next best player being Mike Miller.
    But, DPG, that was before he came to play with the Lakers, but after you knew better.

    tee, hee.

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    Well we need to define "lead". Some people bring up winning "x" amount of games. Well Pau Gasol led teams to 50 win seasons with his next best player being Mike Miller.
    We don't even need to bring up how many games anybody won when referring to Manu, because he's never been the number one guy on his team in the NBA.

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    The best player of his generation. As well as he has played for these past two seasons to get the Lakers back to the elite strata, I still think his 2005-2006 season -- where he averaged 35 ppg (a ridiculous figure in the modern NBA) and almost led that lame Lakers squad to a first round upset of the Suns -- was when you really saw a Franchise Guy at work.
    another fixer.

    Tim Duncan: The best player of his generation. Maybe not any more, but if you've been one for the past 12 years that included four rings and two MVPs, well ..
    Best players of his generation:
    Jordan
    Dream Hakeem
    Shaq/Duncan Duncan/Shaq (either way is good)
    Duncan 2002-2007
    Bron 2007-

  21. #71
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    Gasol was the best player on those 3 playoff Grizzly teams but he was far from leading them. The first 2 years they had 5 guys avg. double figures and the last they had 7.

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    You keep saying: "who else would have led the Hornets to 49 wins...". Pau had a worse team and led them to 50. Does that make him a franchise player? I am saying you need to frame your arguments better.

    Just because Manu has played with Duncan, doesn't mean he is automatically canceled out. I am not saying Manu should be there, but that is a weak argument.

    If Paul came into the league with Duncan, he would be in the same boat as TP and Manu.

  23. #73
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    Pau had a worse team and led them to 50.
    No he didn't.

  24. #74
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    If you replace Gasol with a dude like Michael Redd and Kobe becomes the Lakers best player, L.A. can't win a championship, but it would still be a really good team, because Kobe is really good.

    FIFY

    Let it go, Kobe was the best player on a championship team. Yeah, it sucks, I didn't think it'd happen either.

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    Let it go, Kobe was the best player on a championship team. Yeah, it sucks, I didn't think it'd happen either.
    another fixer.

    Duncan was the best player on 4 legitimate championship teams. He didn't need Jameer Nelson or the refs to corn him on any one of the 4 either.

    Give your TomDoll some more huggin.
    And did you fix that patch securely after the thrashing you gave TomDoll post Denver debaucle?

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