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    I find a 1% growth rate for all of human history a little hard to believe. Where's the link?

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    Yup, his website has a picture of a replica of what they claim to be an accurate representation of a bone that was found in Turkey. The only problem is 1) No bone was ever found and 2) If that was a replica then that poor Giant must have been in a wheelchair because that femur is way too thin to support a human that size.

    That website is actually very sad. It uses links to other creationist sites to prove itself.
    How is that any different from evolutionists? Do you have anything to dissipate the rest of the arguments I posted from that website?

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    I find a 1% growth rate for all of human history a little hard to believe. Where's the link?
    It's easy when you ignore things like lower life expectancies for adults, high infant mortality, adolescents dying at a higher rate when doing things like hunting, mothers dying in childbirth, and catastrophic events like the huge ice age that ended 10,000 years ago.

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    You're the one arguing theory based on physical evidence is just faith, you ing moron.
    No for brains I'm the one arguing to let people think, I'd be just as dumbfounded if your moronic counterpart tried to stifle the theroy of evolution from being heard and discussed.It doesn't matter a whit to me if God created the world in 7 days or if God chose to create it through evolution.It's his gig.

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    Ah yes.

    The enlightened, powerful, elitist mind of the non-believer.

    Condescending to the last.

    Bravo.

    There is a physical explanation for all that has ever happened, and all that is written in the Bible. Curing the blind, feeding the masses, parting the Red Sea - I'm sure that if we could return to those sights, at those times with the cast of CSI, we would know EXACTLY why and how those stories got told. It still doesn't mean there is no God. I still have faith in God. I think His creation is that much more miraculous.

    I pity intellectually dishonest believers who claim it is all done with a snap of his fingers and a flash of light; they fail to see the sublime beauty that is life and its evolution - and the fascinating, meaningful discoveries advanced science provides.

    I pity the non-believers who have faith that this is all one big happy accident, and fail to recognize the sublime beauty of the gift that we have been given.
    How do you reason the "bible" is that source, (I'm assuming the new testament) more of an authority than the Torah, or Quran alone. How do you reason it compared to other religions? You can't.

    I'm not arguing against your "god". However, when you analyze the specifics of what your god's prescription in the bible, it doesn't hold much weight. Some things in that text are just flat lies, some can be construed as truths, but it takes some creative thinking.

    You have to keep in mind, all of these books are written by man. When you give credibility to that book and man (or woman) in doing so, you lose credibility. Man (or woman) is in imperfect

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    No for brains I'm the one arguing to let people think, I'd be just as dumbfounded if your moronic counterpart tried to stifle the theroy of evolution from being heard and discussed.It doesn't matter a whit to me if God created the world in 7 days or if God chose to create it through evolution.It's his gig.
    I like that wording. Im stealing it.

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    rick ramashing and sir fred hoyle calculated the probability for one cell to evolve by chance. The atheist/agnostic team found to their disbelief that it is 1 chance in 10 to the 40,000th power years just for one cell to evolve. Hoyle said, "the chance that higher life forms might have emerged in this way is comparable with the chance that 'a tornado sweeping through a junk-yard might assemble a boeing 747 from the materials therein.' "[3]
    3. Sir fred hoyle (english astronomer), 'hoyle on the evolution'. Nature, vol. 294, 12 november 1981, p. 105.
    http://www.trueauthority.com/cvse/fiftyreasons.htm


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    I like that wording. Im stealing it.
    feel free

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    Rick Ramashing and Sir Fred Hoyle calculated the probability for one cell to evolve by chance. The atheist/agnostic team found to their disbelief that it is 1 chance in 10 to the 40,000th power years just for one cell to evolve. Hoyle said, "The chance that higher life forms might have emerged in this way is comparable with the chance that 'a tornado sweeping through a junk-yard might assemble a Boeing 747 from the materials therein.' "[3]
    3. Sir Fred Hoyle (English astronomer), 'Hoyle on the Evolution'. Nature, vol. 294, 12 November 1981, p. 105.
    If you can explain in your own words how they calculated this probability then I'll publicly renounce my views and become a republican. if you can explain the different structures of a cell without copying and pasting I'll respect you enough to overlook your countless mistakes when you post.

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    If you can explain in your own words how they calculated this probability then I'll publicly renounce my views and become a republican. if you can explain the different structures of a cell without copying and pasting I'll respect you enough to overlook your countless mistakes when you post.
    There's no need, simply google Hoyle's fallacy. Hoyle's calculation does not factor simultaneous pairing, or even that natural selection is not random. He did have fascinating ideas on life coming from outer space though lol. Really the most horrifying (logically speaking) error is that he didn't even bother to account for symbiosis and eventual fusion of different cells.

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    Oh and proof that Hoyle believed natural selection was random and not selection is in his 747 analogy that creationists love. Take that same analogy and put in aircraft engineers instead of a tornado and you have yourself selection.

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    No for brains I'm the one arguing to let people think, I'd be just as dumbfounded if your moronic counterpart tried to stifle the theroy of evolution from being heard and discussed.It doesn't matter a whit to me if God created the world in 7 days or if God chose to create it through evolution.It's his gig.
    You're arguing that theory through evidence is the same thing as faith. That's exactly what you agreed with in your post where you agreed with this statement: Evolution might as well be a religion since it is operated on faith.. You ignorant .

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    You're arguing that theory through evidence is the same thing as faith. That's exactly what you agreed with in your post where you agreed with this statement: Evolution might as well be a religion since it is operated on faith.. You ignorant .
    Logic is not commonly held by this type of individual. It's all subjective

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    You're arguing that theory through evidence is the same thing as faith. That's exactly what you agreed with in your post where you agreed with this statement: Evolution might as well be a religion since it is operated on faith.. You ignorant .
    No pin head I'm argueing that you hold onto a belief of what reality is, and that it threatens you when that belief is questioned.How many theories through evedince have been shattered once we knew more.

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    Logic is not commonly held by this type of individual. It's all subjective
    Hey why don't you back and cruise stormfront for a boyfriend and leave the adolecent pot shots to Chimp.

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    Hey why don't you back and cruise stormfront for a boyfriend and leave the adolecent pot shots to Chimp.

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    Logic is not commonly held by this type of individual. It's all subjective
    Dude if you were as logical as you proffess to be you'd analyze just how limited your knowledge is in the face of what you don't know and come to only one logical conclusion, and that is your massive insecurity has turned you into an insufferable and and pathetic ass, and that you should probablly spend the rest of your days cruising stormfront looking for somebody to give you a good spanking, or stop being such a twit and stop pretending you know anything much.

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    No pin head I'm argueing that you hold onto a belief of what reality is, and that it threatens you when that belief is questioned.How many theories through evedince have been shattered once we knew more.
    Quit spinning. You clearly stated you thought evolution was based on faith. Just because you say something stupid doesn't mean it goes away once you move the goalposts.

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    Dude if you were as logical as you proffess to be you'd analyze just how limited your knowledge is in the face of what you don't know and come to only one logical conclusion, and that is your massive insecurity has turned you into an insufferable and and pathetic ass, and that you should probablly spend the rest of your days cruising stormfront looking for somebody to give you a good spanking, or stop being such a twit and stop pretending you know anything much.
    I don't pretend to know all, in fact I'm working on it as a continual process. I probably would be better off spending less time on here and doing that instead. What I do know is blatant ignorance, hypocrisy and common failure in objectivity and logic that is require to gain knowledge.

    Many people would deny sites like stormfront exist with millions of members. In fact many of them post in secrecy. Does that bother you that I bring attention to it? I'd post the same about the NOI, if it was that easy.

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    Quit spinning. You clearly stated you thought evolution was based on faith. Just because you say something stupid doesn't mean it goes away once you move the goalposts.
    The only thing spinning is your head I clearly stated that anybody that holds onto a theroy, and goes through life without the ability to allow that theroy to be questioned, without the ability, and even the wish to let that theroy be destroyed in order for a clearer picture of the nature of life and reality to come, is as stuck as some snake handler in appalachia.
    Great theroy ........for now.

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    Our world and humansare too perfectly made, for it to all be complete accidental against all odds type event.
    humans are not "perfectly made"...and I have an apendectomy scar to prove it.

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    I don't pretend to know all, in fact I'm working on it as a continual process. I probably would be better off spending less time on here and doing that instead. What I do know is blatant ignorance, hypocrisy and common failure in objectivity and logic that is require to gain knowledge.

    Many people would deny sites like stormfront exist with millions of members. In fact many of them post in secrecy. Does that bother you that I bring attention to it? I'd post the same about the NOI, if it was that easy.
    NO you ing wouldn't you're an ideolouge.There are tons of sites like the NOI you choose to ignore them in your unrelenting search for the truth.
    Some of the first and some of the present's most gallant and brilliant scientist have been men of faith, they found no problem with having both in thier lives. I don't see how lesser minds can not stop and ponder this before they start flinging arrows.

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    The only thing spinning is your head I clearly stated that anybody that holds onto a theroy, and goes through life without the ability to allow that theroy to be questioned, without the ability, and even the wish to let that theroy be destroyed in order for a clearer picture of the nature of life and reality to come, is as stuck as some snake handler in appalachia.
    Great theroy ........for now.

    You clearly stated you agreed that evolution is faith and now you're backpedaling because it's an incredibly stupid idea to try to equate scientific knowledge with blind faith.

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    You clearly stated you agreed that evolution is faith and now you're backpedaling because it's an incredibly stupid idea to try to equate scientific knowledge with blind faith.
    Dude your needle is stuck bump the turntable you can't wrap your head around this anymore than the snake handler can wrap his head around the ascent of man.

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