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"Almost winning finals MVP" and "Not winning finals MVP" are the exact same thing.
Just for clarification, Manu was one vote shy of being co-MVP with Duncan, two shy of taking it. The vote was 6-4.
"Almost winning finals MVP" and "Not winning finals MVP" are the exact same thing.
I forgot about Manu fan since the Dirk vs Manu thread a while back.
I never argued otherwise. My entire point cones from the premise that Duncan is our franchise player. Just saying that Manu and Tony would have to be considered Foundation players at different times, regardless of the fact they played under Duncan's shadow.
That first list is very debatable. Is JKidd a Foundation player? What about Vince Carter? Allen Iverson in his prime? Foundation or Franchise?
I forgot about Manu fan since the Dirk vs Manu thread a while back.
I like the thread where DAF86 told Monos that Trajon Langdon is a future HOFer.
Away in the sense TD would have had to share it.Just for clarification, Manu was one vote shy of being co-MVP with Duncan, two shy of taking it. The vote was 6-4.
Possibly, but the chances of either Manu or Parker winning a championship as the franchise player of their team is slim to none.
Dirk, Foundation or Fanchise?
I forgot about Manu fan since the Dirk vs Manu thread a while back.
Correct. That's why my argument was that he could have been a Foundation player, as defined in the OP, and not a Franchise player.
K then I agree. I just jumped in the conversation at the wrong time.
To me Dirk has the talent to be Franchise, but he plays like a Foundation guy.
How so?
Dumbest thing Ive ever heard. Lefty, you are ing STUPID!!!!
You and Lefty are both ing Stupid. Paul is undoubtedly a top 5 talent and the best floor leader in the NBA.
They hate Chris Paul. You can't really expect that much from them.
Can I consider the 2004 Pistons being run by Billups who was the main guy as a PG led team to win a championship? Then again, that team had great balance and 5 starters who are versatile and do whatever they can.
You take away "The Tank" and the last decade of basketball would have been very different. What if Portland hadn't taken Sam Bowie? What if Shaq and Kobe had actually gotten along?
You can't selectively point out one "WHAT IF" event and determine a player's career/team's success. Practically every champion and every loser has a "What IF?" situation that could have changed the course of their franchise.
Wasn't that the year that the Pistons had 4 All-Stars? As you said, that was an extremely balanced team...no Superstars but they had 4 All Stars in their prime. I think they're the only team in the last 20,30,40? years to win a trophy without a Superstar.
Excluding the 2004 Pistons, anybody know when the last time a Championship team didn't have a SuperStar?
1979 Sonics
And the Pistons had 4 all stars in 2006. Ben was their only all star in 2004.
& you can toss "Winning finals MVP" into that pile as well. Take 'em all outside and put 'em into the dumpster.
Thanks for the clarification...wow, I can't believe that roster won a championship....I'd only heard of Dennis Johnson and Paul Silas (as a coach). Gus Williams I had never even heard of before until I looked it up.
And you are a scured' little troll too afraid to post under your regular name. That's the most meaningful message your post delivers us.
when you talk about franchise guys, you can't leave this guy out, afterall, he's the The Franchise
He doesn't have the leadership attributes/mental for ude that true Franchise players have. He's got the size and the talent, but he's lacking in the character/mental department.
IMO, obviously.
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