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at the Suns fan who thinks he can judge Parker's clutchness when his own star is not even anywhere near as clutch.
I dont know why anakha brought up Steve Nash out of nowhere and turned into a compe ion between Nash and Parker. I thought we were talking about Parker versus Duncan or Ginobili.
Also, the links are pretty dumb because they consider the last 5 minutes of the game "clutch time". Ive never heard someone say "that was clutch" when a player drills a shot with any more than one minute to go.
Apparently you dont know what selective vision is otherwise youd understand why they even calculate the passer rating and why Nash's blows away Parkers.Look at the links again.
Parker's assist per bad pass: 7.0. Nash's assist per bad pass: 3.7.
Parker's total turnovers: 186. Nash's total turnovers: 248.
Parker's a scorer first and foremost. Congrats on the selective vision.
Wow..i really pissed you off by pointing out the self ownage, huh?
d_s_f doesn't even know what 'selective vison' means.
You claim that Parker's a turnover machine in the clutch. The numbers prove that wrong, and that Parker turns the ball over less than your boy Nash. Where's your proof otherwise? Or are you going to hide behind semantics again?
Nope,Wow..i really pissed you off by pointing out the self ownage, huh?
Interstig link. It appears that my boy Grant Hill is mutch more clutch than any Spur:
http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT6.HTM
I would like to see that list filtered by players who played at least 100 minutes or took X amount of shots.
Parkers assist/turnover ratio in the clutch: 2.5d_s_f doesn't even know what 'selective vison' means.
You claim that Parker's a turnover machine in the clutch. The numbers prove that wrong, and that Parker turns the ball over less than your boy Nash. Where's your proof otherwise? Or are you going to hide behind semantics again?
Nash's assist/turnover ratio in the cluth: 3.2
Stop owning yourself man.
LOL suns
This one is interesting too:
http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT5.HTM
The only player who shoots more in the last five minutes but at a better percentage than TP is Lebron James. So Ill give parker that he takes good shots in the last five minutes.
He's still just not a good decision maker though (see assist/turnover ratio).
Also, look at that column. You see the numbers slowly creep up and up except for the gap between number one and two.
Oh Kobe, so predictable.
http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT14.HTM
Another interesting one. All these are pretty good.
Parker's turnovers in the clutch: 1.3.
Nash's turnovers in the clutch: 3.6
Parker takes more shots than passes in the clutch, and still averaged less turnovers, accounted for more points and generated a better +/-.
Stop seeing only what you want to see.
In the end, d_s_f's 'analysis' comes down to looking only at assists again, and judging everything based on that. Typical.
You think it might be hard to get a rebound against the Spurs with five minutes to go nw that they have Duncan AND Dice?
http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT13.HTM
Jesus. I knew Duncan's rebounding was much better than his numbers indicate.
parker is more clutch then manu
stats prove it
Here's one really interesting stat:
Richardson, Shaq, Amare and Hill all have higher per 48 minutes of clutch time +/- than Nash does.
Duncan, Ginobili, Mason, Finley and Bonner all have a higher per 48 minutes of clutch time +/- than Parker does.
So regardless of who is the more clutch individual player, it's clear neither one helped his team out all that much in crunch time last year.
No he's not, please post these stats you're referring to.
And hater brings up a good point that when he is at his best, Manu can close games just as well as all top tier wing players.
Actually I said you dont want "Tony Turnover" handling the ball. And you can see by his poor assist, assist to turnover ratio and passer ratings in the clutch that he's not a good decision maker, correct? Ill say that he's definitely an efficient scorer in the last five minutes.In the end, d_s_f's 'analysis' comes down to looking only at assists again, and judging everything based on that. Typical.
I never even brought Nash into the debate. You did. But I dont mind since all you did was own yourself.
wrong again
http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba...inobili-no-29/
Forbes did a study chronicling the top players in the last five minutes of a game including overtime. It wasn’t even close. Manu topped the list and shoots lights out at a 57.4% clip. Your boy Kobe? 44.8%. Do I have your attention yet?"
You realize you can't keep losing arguments and then post "you owned yourself" correct?Actually I said you dont want "Tony Turnover" handling the ball. And you can see by his poor assist, assist to turnover ratio and passer ratings in the clutch that he's not a good decision maker, correct? Ill say that he's definitely an efficient scorer in the last five minutes.
I never even brought Nash into the debate. You did. But I dont mind since all you did was own yourself.
Since when does ast/to ratio dicatate decision making in the clutch? TP is a better scorer than passer, so therefor it is a good decision to shoot the ball more instead of pass. THAT IS A GOOD DECISION. Also, only having slightly above 1 turnover in crunch time means you are a good decision maker. Ast/to ratio does not say otherwise.
All the three statistics you pointed out are based on assists, which ends up actually proving my point:Actually I said you dont want "Tony Turnover" handling the ball. And you can see by his poor assist, assist to turnover ratio and passer ratings in the clutch that he's not a good decision maker, correct? Ill say that he's definitely an efficient scorer in the last five minutes.
I never even brought Nash into the debate. You did. But I dont mind since all you did was own yourself.
In the end, d_s_f's 'analysis' comes down to looking only at assists again, and judging everything based on that. Typical.
Im done destroying you. Quit following me around.
Passer rating and assist to turnover detail decision making. Tony Turnover can be considered "poor" in both.
ESPECIALLY for a point guard.
You have done nothing but act the fool on a Spurs board. Just sit back and observe for a while troll.
You are not fooling anyone and I demanded you stop trolling.
Not only that, but he sets up for others phenomenally.
If Im Popovic and theres a minute to go (which is only what should count for "Clutch"), my options would be:
1) Ginobili
2) Ginobili
3) Duncan
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