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Listen to what I say. Stop trolling. I am telling you to stop trolling. You are embarrassing the good Suns fans on the board. No wonder they all hate you.
If Im a troll, then stop feeding me. Watch and learn, troll.
Listen to what I say. Stop trolling. I am telling you to stop trolling. You are embarrassing the good Suns fans on the board. No wonder they all hate you.
manu was better but the last year and the year before
tp is better
Again, in case you haven't figured it out after repeated attempts at educating you:
Parker looks to score in the clutch. Hence the lower assist numbers.
The lower passer rating and assists/turnover are a result of lower assist numbers.
Your claim of Parker being a 'bad decision maker' in the clutch is proven utterly wrong by the facts that:
a) Parker averages less turnovers than Lebron, Wade, Kobe, and *gasp* Nash.
b) Parker's points accounted for in the clutch are easily within the top 20 in the league.
So yet again, your claim is completely baseless.
nash has to many 7 turnover games
some games he is great others he sucks
It's not even a question. This isn't really a big sample size, but as a Suns fan, when I think back to all the late game disappointment against the Spurs since 2005, it's always Duncan and/or Manu right at the center of the Spurs closing the game out. I can't remember a game the Suns lost because of Tony Parker 4th quarter heroics.
Meanwhile, I'll always remember Manu making the game winning shot in the game when Duncan hit the three, or when he was the driving force that comeback to force OT in 2005 and then sealed it, or when he made clutch play after clutch play to steal the game Amare was suspended for, and of course his performance in game 6 to seal the series, where everytime Phoenix cut it close he'd answer back. The fact Ducks is trying to make this an argument is laughable.
D_S_F, if you are not a troll answer this simple riddle:
What creature wears Orange, runs without a plan, and averages more turnovers in the clutch than Tony Parker?
parker is alot better since 2005 O
and manu has not been the same since 2005
I rember going to phoenix and watching tp hit the game winner
no it was the playoffs
The fact you have to use the time Manu was playing on one foot as your main talking point that Parker is more clutch shows how flawed your argument is.
Do you know how pointless this is? Parker doesnt decide to pass often, but when he does, the results arent good. This is why I said you dont want to be giving him the ball.
As for your "points accounted for in the clutch", all that stat says is how many points players average in the last five minutes on a per 48m basis. So all thats telling me is that Parker takes a lot of shots in the last five minutes. His shooting percentage is actually good (but not close to tops) but youre too stupid to even figure that out!! Its even better than Nash's but youre too stupid to figure that out.
Stop OWNING yourself!! This is turning into a "Tony Parker is the best player in the NBA" thread redux!!! My guess is you will never learn when to quit and keep trying to spin Parker's poor assist and turnover numbers. Its almost PAINFUL, MAN!!!
Almost.
manu has not been healthy in the playoffs for 2 years
that is not flawed that is a fact
you know if you let manu play 25 minutes before the 4 quarter
he would be ing spent to play in the 4 quarter
tony's clutchness is underrated because of 2003. Manu's clutchness is a little overrated here (everyone only remember the 2005 playoffs).
But he's still clutcher than tony though.
Manu still managed to lead the team in scoring the last season he played in it's entirety (2007-2008), while averaging less minutes than Tony.
So your point is re ed to say the least.
The difference is that Ginobili is on the decline, and Tony is in his prime.
So again, you're basing your judgements on assist numbers, even if the turnover stat doesn't care if you were looking to pass or shoot in the clutch.
Parker's lower turnover numbers than many of the 'franchise players' is what it is, no matter how much you try to spin it.
Your original claim was that Parker is a turnover machine and makes bad decisions in the clutch. The numbers I showed proved that wasn't the case. Then you state something else entirely, then call me an idiot for not going along with you on your tangent?
That has got to be the worst way to conduct an argument I've ever seen.
I already stated outright why he has lower assist numbers. Where's the spin in that?Stop OWNING yourself!! This is turning into a "Tony Parker is the best player in the NBA" thread redux!!! My guess is you will never learn when to quit and keep trying to spin Parker's poor assist and turnover numbers. Its almost PAINFUL, MAN!!!
Almost.
And you're calling his turnover numbers poor? Who's spinning Parker's numbers again?
Anakha, don't bother. He clearly failed my troll test.So again, you're basing your judgements on assist numbers, even if the turnover stat doesn't care if you were looking to pass or shoot in the clutch.
Parker's lower turnover numbers than many of the 'franchise players' is what it is, no matter how much you try to spin it.
Your original claim was that Parker is a turnover machine and makes bad decisions in the clutch. The numbers I showed proved that wasn't the case. Then you state something else entirely, then call me an idiot for not going along with you on your tangent?
That has got to be the worst way to conduct an argument I've ever seen.
I already stated outright why he has lower assist numbers. Where's the spin in that?
And you're calling his turnover numbers poor? Who's spinning Parker's numbers again?
I agree he hasn't, but he's still been better at sealing games out, in particular playoff games/series.
In 2007, who actually showed up to play against the Suns with 26 points and 10 rebounds when Amare and Diaw were suspended and carried his back court counter part to what was basically a must win.
The next game, which was also a game you figure is a must win to avoid game 7 in Phoenix, which player needed 27 shots to score 30 points, and which player needed 17 shots to score 33 points?
In 2008, game 7 was the only game in the Hornets series decided by single digits, who dominated the 4th quarter of that game and sealed it?
Against the Lakers in 2008, who was playing on one foot when the Spurs turned into a team that blew big leads in the fourth quarter largely because they didn't have a 4th quarter go to option?
Just to show my original post. And as the numbers have shown, you dont want Parker to create in the last minute (or five).
We're used to it
fixed
The funny part is that DoK took up the cudgels for Manu this time.
It looks like ducks' Manu hate is enough to unite even fans of differing teams.
No, it's a flawed argument to reach the conclusion Parker is more clutch than Manu only using examples when Manu has been injured as your premise.
Either way, Parker wasn't more clutch than Manu in 2008 against the Lakers.
Game 1 against the Lakers, SA scores 27, 24 and 21 in the first 3 quarters. Quarter 4, the Spurs score only 13 points. When Manu was injured and SA needed Parker to step up as the 4th quarter closer, he didn't.
Game 2 the game was over by the end of quarter 3 so there was no clutch factor.
Game 3 the Spurs explode for 34 4th quarter points. Oddly enough, this is the game Manu gets hot and the injury isn't a factor. Parker, meanwhile, put up comparable numbers to game 1.
Game 4 the 4th quarter is again the Spurs lowest scoring quarter. Manu can't produce with his injury, they need Parker to step up and engineer a 4th quarer comeback, but deja vu, the Spurs come up short offensively in the 4th quarter with Parker as the go to perimeter threat.
Game 5 is the one game the Spurs do well in the 4th quarter offensively with Parker as the main perimeter thread, unfortunately the Spurs have to push the tempo to get Parker going and get quick points, and this leads to LA errupting for 36 points. So while this was in a more indirect manner, the loss of Manu's ability to lead a half court offense through the 4th quarer hurt SA because it forced them to push the tempo against a team that favored an up tempo game a lot more than they did.
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