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    Peace brothers....Let cowboy and me have our point of view and Chimp and Lngrr. My fondest hope for you Lngrr is that if your 15 or16 year old son wants to have sex with a 30 year old sexual predator in the stalls of public restrooms that they're plenty around for him to find.For you Chimp I hope they finally except you into nambla.... I think you'd make an excellent poster boy.
    You have to choose for yourself what's right or wrong in the end you do what you do.
    There is a difference between protecting the rights of someone and agreeing with someone.

    Tell me Micca, do you support the KKK's right to peaceably assemble?

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    LnGrrrR: Is a 16 year old kid being picked up by a 30 yr old man and taken back to his apartment ok with you? When the 16 yr old kid told the guidance counselor, what is his responsibility? Should he inform the parents generally whats going on? Should he tell the police? Should he warn him of the risks of doing that?

    Should Jennings feel responsible for all the boys who were with this predator?

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    maybe he took the kid to a haliburton shipping container.

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    Where are you getting the age of this older man?

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    maybe he took the kid to a haliburton shipping container.
    If he did then most of the people posting in this thread would be singing a different tune.

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    I think our opinions might be different if you guys didn't make so much up in this thread.

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    Swap out "safe school czar" for "halliburton executive" and the roles of "our opinions" and "you guys making up" simply get reversed.

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    LnGrrrR: Is a 16 year old kid being picked up by a 30 yr old man and taken back to his apartment ok with you?
    No, and I definitely would've counseled the boy differently. However, the boy doesn't seem worse for it, and it seems obvious that there is nothing criminal this man did.

    Again, just because I might defend someone doesn't mean I agree with them necessarily.

    When the 16 yr old kid told the guidance counselor, what is his responsibility?
    I honestly can't say, as I'm not 100% sure on the ethical choice in that situation.

    Should he inform the parents generally whats going on?
    I would think he should.

    Should he tell the police?
    No, because the age of consent in Massachusetts is 16. If you were in high school at 18, and sleeping with, say a 35 year old female, would you want someone calling the cops about it?

    The reason why this case seems different is because it seems "icky". The boy is below what we'd usually assume the age of consent to be, and he's at the hands of a 'sexual predator' as you put it. Or it could just be an old guy who wanted some 'barely legal' action.

    Should he warn him of the risks of doing that?
    Definitely. He warned him of some risks, of course, such as STD's. But the very real possibility of kidnap/rape/etc etc should've been talked about as well.

    Should Jennings feel responsible for all the boys who were with this predator?
    How do you know this man was sleeping with underage children, or trying to target others? It's merely a guess, a supposition, with no strong evidence.

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    Swap out "safe school czar" for "halliburton executive" and the roles of "our opinions" and "you guys making up" simply get reversed.
    Except it was fact that the kid was 16, not 15. And it seems pretty factual that Halliburton employees did some awful things to a woman. Are you saying that the woman in that case is making up a story?

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    So where is the direct quote saying he knew the kid was 15.

    The only direct quote we have so far is from the former child saying he wasn't 15.

    I'm fine with condemning him if he broke the law. You haven't proved that he broke any law yet.
    But Jennings has described the relationship as sexual, and in 2000 he said the boy was 15 years old.
    "I said, 'What were you doing in Boston on a school night, Brewster?'" Jennings said to a rally in Iowa in 2000.
    "He got very quiet, and he finally looked at me and said, 'Well I met someone in the bus station bathroom and I went home with him,'" Jennings recounted. "High school sop re, 15 years old ... I looked at Brewster and said, 'You know, I hope you knew to use a condom.'"
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/15/house-republicans-obama-safe-schools-czar/
    Boom...outa here

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    Has it already been posted in here that this guy also wrote a forward or something for a book written by the NAMBLA president?

    I think I heard that somewhere...

    I'll look for it.

    Oh yeah, here it is...

    Obama appointee lauded NAMBLA figure

    It's like Obama went out and said, let's get the most inappropriate people we can to appoint around here... I mean, geeze, the list is getting pretty long, don't you think? From Tax Cheats for Treasury to Man-Boy lover lovers for Safe Schools Czar.

    They got it going on at the White House, eh?

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    This should not be involved with kids. Fire his ass already. He worships some child molestor that is dead. The dude he worshipsd says it cool to suck a 18 month old baby off. That is someone I would not one to be associated with.

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    Protecting Children--Not right or left, just right or wrong

    Seriously, I'm less interested in this s bag than I am in what this says about the White House hiring practices.

    As Tapscott said in the piece I linked in my last post,

    Every presidential administration ends up with scandals inspired by controversial appointees, but typically those tend to revolve around financial improprieties, conflicts of interest, or some other form of white-collar misconduct. For Obama, the scandals seem to be develping in a pattern of disclosures revolving around radical left ideology that raises questions about their fitness for any job in government.

    And that in turn raises the inevitable question: Is nobody minding the White House personnel store?
    Indeed.

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    There is a difference between protecting the rights of someone and agreeing with someone.

    Tell me Micca, do you support the KKK's right to peaceably assemble?
    We're not talking about the kkk'S right to peaceable assembly, we're talking about some pin headed president appointing the kkk as a czar in his cabniet.How well do you think that''d fly.

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    LnGrrrR, you don't detect a disturbing pattern with the Obama White House's hiring practices?

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    In 2000?

    Fail.

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    But he didn't break the law. Yes, years after the fact, the man thought he was 15. As WC pointed out earlier, that would show a MORAL failing, perhaps. But since he was 16, no crime was committed.

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    LnGrrrR, you don't detect a disturbing pattern with the Obama White House's hiring practices?
    Yes, slightly. However, with the advent/popularity of the net, I'm not sure if it's Obama's appointees in particular, or if EVERY president will have the same issues going forth.

    It's much easier to muckrake and dig up background information on people nowadays.

    As well, I don't think you have to be squeaky clean to run something. I will say though, tax cheating in a bank position, and morality questions in a youth counselor DO look pretty horrible on paper.

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    Yoni, the problem I have with that op-ed is that the writer has an obvious bias. Look at this line:

    The video was pure indoctrination to encourage children to accept and celebrate sexuality.
    I really don't see anything wrong with children accepting sexuality.

    In many school districts Johnny has no understanding or appreciation of our founding and our free enterprise system; he can’t write a proper paragraph or essay, but he can put a condom on a cu ber in 6 seconds flat because of a network of people like Kevin Jennings.
    Obvious hyperbole. I'm fine with sexual education in schools, starting around the ages of 15. Not teaching about it doesn't mean children aren't going to have sex. Young pregnancies are rough on these parents, halting their education and providing less chances for the youth growing up.

    And if parents don't want them to take the class, they can always sign the form saying so.

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