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Right. Creationism quickly becomes comparative religion.
Which creation theory should be taught?
The theory of evolution has everything to do with the origin of life. Like I said, I like getting to the heart of an argument.
Right. Creationism quickly becomes comparative religion.
Which creation theory should be taught?
small dino's snatching larger dino's in flight.
i think these intermediate's would be todays modern midget.
This popular atheist website disagrees.
I also disagree. The origin of life, and the evolution of said life, are two wholly separated, if related, concepts.
One could very easily tie the two together concerning the evolution of that first cell, but since our fossil record starts some 2.5 billion years later, I wouldn't count on there being very effective arguments, or it being an interesting subject to discuss.
Is this what you believe?
Related enough to include in a discussion.I also disagree. The origin of life, and the evolution of said life, are two wholly separated, if related, concepts.
I would find it very interesting to discuss.One could very easily tie the two together concerning the evolution of that first cell, but since our fossil record starts some 2.5 billion years later, I wouldn't count on it being a very effective, or interesting subject to discuss.
It's irrelevant to the subject material.
It's related. You admitted it.
We have been discussing the related topic of creationist education, that reasoning doesn't work.
you blew it with "irrelevant".
He blew it when he started discussing related topics.
yeah, but he's serious.
think about that.
The origin of life can always be left out of public schools - no one knows, and no one should play like they know. That's why every religion professes faith - you don't know and never will, so just have some faith.
As for a "theory of creationism" to be taught in schools, it must simply be put at odds to abiogenesis. An "either/or" situation should exist, leaving the door open for any belief or idea. Too many scientists, in too many fields, profess evolution to leave it out of textbooks. It should just be mentioned that much of evolution's factual evidence is based on is assumed premises, and that there are various ideas that have been refuted and objections that have been raised against aspect of the theory throughout its history.
it has essentially nothing to do with intermediate pterodactyls. Irrelevant is a great word IMO. But, I will humor myself with this discussion because I was thinking about this very idea today.
Edit: Dump if you simply ask a leading question, the discussion ends. Make your opinion known about what I've said.
That had nothing to do with intermediate pterodactyls.
Why did you discuss it?
right but I don't think seperation of church and state was supposed to mean you cannot bring up or use the word god. The other part of my problem was the idea that evolution is the only way and that it is a proven science. Like I said evolution is just as much theory as creationism.
Also there are different types of Theories of Creationism. If none of it is a proven idea then they should all be taught. Not just the extreme side of evolution.
You're too predictable, Dump.
It would only be a leading question if I were leading to something.
I'm not.
So what other theory should be taught other than evolution, and what positive evidence of the other theory should be presented -- not just refutations of evolution?
I'm asking because that's all I've ever heard -- criticisms of evolution.
You're the one who broke your own arbitrary rule.You're too predictable, Dump.
To the subject: How is this pterodactyls the missing link?
So, ballpark figure, how many creation stories do you think there are to be taught?
This is a leading question, because I think that may take a lot of time in school.
There are many missing links, and I'm sure most of them will remain missing, seeing as fossilization is considered a pretty rare occurrence.
I didn't say stories. I said theories. I am not talking about bible study.
teacher: "Here is the theory of evolution and all of it's degrees"
teacher: "Now here is the theory of creationism and all of it's degrees"
same teacher:"No where is it written that you cannot intertwine these two. They are both unproven to be considered a science but we will teach it in science class anyway. Oh by the way global warming is a theory too just like second hand smoking causing cancer."
So how would you teach your particular theory of creation?
Not a leading question. I don't know where this is going.
I think this one might work:
In the beginning there was an empty darkness. The only thing in this void was Nyx, a bird with black wings. With the wind she laid a golden egg and for ages she sat upon this egg. Finally life began to stir in the egg and out of it rose Eros, the god of love. One half of the s rose into the air and became the sky and the other became the Earth. Eros named the sky Uranus and the Earth he named Gaia. Then Eros made them fall in love.
Uranus and Gaia had many children together and eventually they had grandchildren. Some of their children become afraid of the power of their children. Kronus, in an effort to protect himself, swallowed his children when they were still infants. However, his wife Rhea hid their youngest child. She gave him a rock wrapped in swaddling clothes, which he swallowed, thinking it was his son.
Once the child, Zeus, had reached manhood his mother instructed him on how to trick his father to give up his brothers and sisters. Once this was accomplished the children fought a mighty war against their father. After much fighting the younger generation won. With Zeus as their leader, they began to furnish Gaia with life and Uranus with stars.
Soon the Earth lacked only two things: man and animals. Zeus summoned his sons Prometheus (fore-thought) and Epimetheus (after-thought). He told them to go to Earth and create men and animals and give them each a gift.
Prometheus set to work forming men in the image of the gods and Epimetheus worked on the animals. As Epimetheus worked he gave each animal he created one of the gifts. After Epimetheus had completed his work Prometheus finally finished making men. However when he went to see what gift to give man Epimetheus shamefacedly informed him that he had foolishly used all the gifts.
Distressed, Prometheus decided he had to give man fire, even though gods were the only ones meant to have access to it. As the sun god rode out into the world the next morning Prometheus took some of the fire and brought it back to man. He taught his creation how to take care of it and then left them.
When Zeus discovered Prometheus' deed he became furious. He ordered his son to be chained to a mountain and for a vulture to peck out his liver every day till eternity. Then he began to devise a punishment for mankind. Another of his sons created a woman of great beauty, Pandora. Each of the gods gave her a gift. Zeus' present was curiosity and a box which he ordered her never to open. Then he presented her to Epimetheus as a wife.
Pandora's life with Epimetheus was happy except for her intense longing to open the box. She was convinced that because the gods and goddesses had showered so many glorious gifts upon her that this one would also be wonderful. One day when Epimetheus was gone she opened the box.
Out of the box flew all of the horrors which plague the world today - pain, sickness, envy, greed. Upon hearing Pandora's screams Epimetheus rushed home and fastened the lid shut, but all of the evils had already escaped.
Later that night they heard a voice coming from the box saying,
"Let me out. I am hope."
Pandora and Epimetheus released her and she flew out into the world to give hope to humankind.
This one has some legs too:
In the beginning of time, there was only chaos. The elements and gases of the heavens and earth freely mingled, and the organizing principle was dormant. It lay dormant somewhere inside this elemental cosmos, awaiting the right moment to begin the transformation. The shape of this primeval mass was something like an egg.
For 18,000 years the universe remained in this state, until the incubation was finally complete, and the egg hatched. Then the heavens and the earth came into existence. The lighter, most pure substances floated upward and became the heavens. These elements were named yang. The heavier, more impure substances descended and became the earth. These were named yin.
From the same forces, a third, the giant Pan Ku, was born as well. As he grew, his sheer size divided the heavens and the earth. The giant lived for another 18,000 years. With the assistance of four creatures, a tortoise, a phoenix, a dragon, and a unicorn, he labored daily to mold the earth. Together they created the world as we know it today.
When Pan Ku finally died, his body was transformed. His left eye became the sun and his right eye became the moon. His blood became the rivers and oceans, his breath became the wind, his sweat became the rain, and his voice became the thunder. His flesh became the soil, and from the fleas living on his body, the human race sprang into being. In this way, the stage was set for the pageant of history to unfold.
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