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If Malik had a guaranteed contract, it would be stupid to waive him now.
Bogans has a guaranteed contract, it is stupid to waive him now.
Actually, Bogans is a decent end of bench player (13th to 15th) for most any NBA team. There's not much to debate about that.
However, my real question is this:
Would you waive Malik Hairston for Bogans?
(Please don't answer by having to waive someone else)
BTW... I would like to keep Marcus Williams, not because he's proven much, but his height is intriguing for a point guard.
If Malik had a guaranteed contract, it would be stupid to waive him now.
Bogans has a guaranteed contract, it is stupid to waive him now.
It's incredible how difficult this is to understand.
Which means... under the current conditions, you would waive Malik?
Sounds just like the Scola debacle. Economics over sanity.
Waive Marcus Williams. Hairston gets 15th spot.
No, I would keep him using the 15th roster spot.
The Spurs do not need to waive anyone to keep Malik. They only need to decide he is worth the additional 1.5M in payroll costs.
Waiving Bogans or keeping Bogans is irrelevant to Malik's status with the Spurs.
Economics define sanity -- it's a business.
Do you understand that if they waive Bogans they have to pay his full salary and luxury tax? There are no savings to be gained by cutting him and there is an available roster spot to keep Malik.
Dude... so you would waive Hairston for Bogans if there was no roster spot available for both?
See that's where we differ. I would waive Bogans and be man enough to eat the costs for my poor decision.
You do understand the Bogans will get 2 shots at the most per game, right?
So after all your arguments have failed based on the real world situation, you now introduce a hypothetical. I thought we were discussing decisions actually available to the Spurs today. In the real world, the Spurs do not face such the choice you have just introduced.
For the record, given your hypothetical, if I had to waive a player on a guaranteed contract to make room for Hairston, I would waive Haislip before I would waive Bogans.
Some ST members really should be limited in starting threads.
Not really forbidden, but maybe limited.
Its funny how some people are desperately trying to justify this signing. Will you still be saying this 25 games into the season when Bogans is shooting under 30% still?
So let me get this straight.. why if Popovich wanted a veteran with more experience than Hairston or Williams, why didn't he just keep Udoka, who's career shooting % is superior to Bogans (3 pt shooting % is too). Udoka was available for awhile, waiting for an offer from the spurs camp and never got one so he signed with Portland. Bruce Bowen also shot superior, 42% from downtown last year, why wasn't he given an offer?
late edit: Just noticed Udoka didn't shoot well last year for the spurs, even those his career averages are still better.
Last edited by TJastal; 10-17-2009 at 11:38 AM.
Dude, how difficult is it to understand that no player with a guaranteed contract is likely to be waived before any player who is not guaranteed. And yes, this includes the Dirk stopper as well. Chill! Bogans will be fine.
Law of averages will play out during the course of a season.
Not 5 games.
Ask George Hill if last year's Summer League was indicative on how his season went last year.
This isn't even an issue because Marcus Williams hasn't done much and Hairston has looked very impressive. No way in Williams takes the 15th spot over Hairston at this point. Bogans doesn't have to do with anything. Either you're confused or just making up hypothetical situations for some reason.
Nope. Hairston and Bogans will make the team, and Williams will be cut. End of story...
just waive Williams. He is not going to play anyway. He is not use to the spurs this season.
It's not just veteran experience Popovich wanted, the Spurs FO and Pop made a late decision to have a valuable insurance policy with the addition of Bogans that can bring it on the defensive end and that can hit the open three. Bogans is a great addition for the minimum, especially if Mason or Finley go down with an injury considering Manu will be resting on back to backs. Bogans is pretty much the best you can do for a piece of the puzzle that is content with being the 5th or 6th option at the wing. Finding a player who is content with that role is hard to find and for the minimum? It's greatSo let me get this straight.. why if Popovich wanted a veteran with more experience than Hairston or Williams, why didn't he just keep Udoka, who's career shooting % is superior to Bogans (3 pt shooting % is too). Udoka was available for awhile, waiting for an offer from the spurs camp and never got one so he signed with Portland. Bruce Bowen also shot superior, 42% from downtown last year, why wasn't he given an offer?
late edit: Just noticed Udoka didn't shoot well last year for the spurs, even those his career averages are still better.
Udoka wasn't going to be the answer considering he regressed significantly both offensively and defensively.
From what I know Bowen wasn't brought back because Bowen wanted to be a significant piece if he was to play again. Something he didn't enjoy last year being on the bench in favor of Mason, Finley, Udoka ( at times). He didn't want to milk his last year or years on the end of the bench being a cheerleader, he's one of the best compe ors the Spurs have ever had so it's understandable.
You can't find a better 5th or 6th option at the wing around the league than Bogans. Especially if he is content with that role and especially if he won't cause friction in the locker room.
George Hill getting PT in the early part of the season was more a product of Parker being out w/ an injury, rather than Pop showing faith in his young player and being generous w/ getting him minutes so he could develop.
As soon as Parker came back he went back to limited minutes. And even those dwindled to nothing by the end of the year in favor of Jacque Vaughn.
I guess you could say Pop had an "epiphany" mid playoffs and started to play Hill again, who promptly responded by being one of the best playoff performers on the squad.
Did Pop learn from this? That wow..yes sometimes young players really CAN contribute, that its not about how many years you've logged or minutes you played.
Nope, didn't learn a thing.
I was talking about shooting percentages when I stated, " Law of averages will play out".
George Hill shot below 20 percent in the Summer League last year after 6 games or so. That wasn't indicative on the type of season he had last year.
Same should go with Bogans after 5 pre-season games.
I know some of you are saying not to worry, that Hairston will get the 15th spot. However the FO has hinted that they want to go with only 13 players....so ya.
They have 14 players under contract with guaranteed contracts.
So yeah.
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