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    I was talking about shooting percentages when I stated, " Law of averages will play out".

    George Hill shot below 20 percent in the Summer League last year after 6 games or so. That wasn't indicative on the type of season he had last year.

    Same should go with Bogans after 5 pre-season games.
    I'm all for giving Bogans a fair chance but I'd rather not it being at the expense of a young player with a great upside like Hairston. It's been mentioned that Hill, Hairston, and Blair have shown some real cohesion playing together and so far the stats back that up, and it would be a shame if Hairston loses his opportunity now.

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    I was talking about shooting percentages when I stated, " Law of averages will play out".

    George Hill shot below 20 percent in the Summer League last year after 6 games or so. That wasn't indicative on the type of season he had last year.

    Same should go with Bogans after 5 pre-season games.
    I guess the Pre-season is not there for evaluation anymore?

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    I'm all for giving Bogans a fair chance but I'd rather not it being at the expense of a young player with a great upside like Hairston. It's been mentioned that Hill, Hairston, and Blair have shown some real cohesion playing together and so far the stats back that up, and it would be a shame if Hairston loses his opportunity now.
    The signing of Bogans has nothing to do with Hairston. If Hairston continues to perform well, he will be given opportunities. Bogans is more of an insurance policy for injuries, foul trouble, future trades, ect. R.C has said that they have never seen a player improve as significantly as Hairston has in one off-season.

    Hairston will be given an opportunity.

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    Sure. Waive Bogans. Why not.

    Hey I've got another idea. You know that car you have that you don't like any more? But you're still making payments? How about you give me that car, but you still make the payments. Sound like a good deal? OK, I'll be right over.


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    The signing of Bogans has nothing to do with Hairston. If Hairston continues to perform well, he will be given opportunities. Bogans is more of an insurance policy for injuries, foul trouble, future trades, ect. R.C has said that they have never seen a player improve as significantly as Hairston has in one off-season.

    Hairston will be given an opportunity.
    I hope he gets alot of opportunities, unlike his counterpart Hill last year.

    Last year watching Hill's minutes slowly evaporate over the season was tough, especially after he picked up the slack nicely for TP when he went down. Then to be thrown into the fray mid-playoffs after having been kicked to the bench .. geesh...I can only imagine what these guys must be going through playing under Popovich... it really must suck.

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    Did you see the game? I was there and I assure you that Haislip was attempting, and failing, to guard the offensive force that is Rob Kurz.
    Mel, you're holdin' out on us!

    If you get the time, I'd love to see you give us your own 'Game Thoughts' on the game.

    I've got an idea..

    How 'bout you give us, 'Mel's 13 Thoughts?'

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    First and foremost I trust whatever the coaching staff decides. I just wish we had an opportunity (esp those out of town) to watch Bogan's contribute defensively. That way we would have a better idea how well he would be able to help us out this year.

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    I hope he gets alot of opportunities, unlike his counterpart Hill last year.

    Last year watching Hill's minutes slowly evaporate over the season was tough, especially after he picked up the slack nicely for TP when he went down. Then to be thrown into the fray mid-playoffs after having been kicked to the bench .. geesh...I can only imagine what these guys must be going through playing under Popovich... it really must suck.
    Have you seen all the interviews with Hill this year? He really looks damaged by the treatment he received at the hands of evil Pop. What for ude these players have, winning year after year despite the terrible mind games. They're so psychologically damaged that, not only do they not complain while on the team, they continue to praise him after leaving the team.

    Also, Hill's minutes did not "slowly evaporate over the season'. They took a sharp drop for the last 14 games of the season.

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    WTF, why does Williams get the pass?

    Why is it between Hairston and Bogans?

    Williams will and better be bleeping cut.

    Also

    Bogans >>>>>> Udoka.

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    Mel, you're holdin' out on us!

    If you get the time, I'd love to see you give us your own 'Game Thoughts' on the game.

    I've got an idea..

    How 'bout you give us, 'Mel's 13 Thoughts?'


    I am merely a simple fan who does not possess the necessary basketball a en for such a task.

    But if I did....

    1. Timmy and Shaq went at it like a regular season game

    2. Even from the balcony, watching LeBron on the break is a fearful sight

    3. I love Hairston's game. He had a couple of really pretty baseline drives and just seemed to fit in on both sides of the ball.

    4. Tony looks sharp. He had some some nice spin moves that left his defender far behind.

    5. Tony and Mason were on a 2 on 1 against LeBron. Neither wanted to take it to the rim and they wound up pulling the ball out and running the offense. Tim was still under the basket on the other end and had to trudge up court.

    6. Bogans defended well. All but one of shots, as I recall, were open and within the offense. One of the misses went more than half way down, and only one shot missed badly.

    7. Haislip is not an NBA player today.

    8. I look forward to seeing many more 18 footers from McDyess

    9. Tim's 4th foul was a hard, playoff-type, foul to prevent LeBron from dunking. LeBron seemed to really get pissed and was complaining to the ref, perhaps asking for a flagrant. Timmy just looked at him like he was crazy.

    10. Cleveland played Shaq and Z together for a stretch in the first half, TD and Bonner looked very small by comparison.

    11. The ovation that Blair received when he came into the game was similar to the reaction when Manu enters the game. There was actually a small group with homemade Blair 45 t-shirts

    12. Timmy has been coaching Blair. When the group breaks up coming out of a timeout, you see Timmy with his arm around Blair and talking to him for the last 10-15 seconds before play resumes.

    13. Halftime was long enough to watch nearly the entire 6th inning of the Yankee game.

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    Thanks Mel, good comments for those of us that couldn't watch the game.

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    Thanks Mel_13. Appreciate the first-hand account.

    Timmy has been coaching Blair. When the group breaks up coming out of a timeout, you see Timmy with his arm around Blair and talking to him for the last 10-15 seconds before play resumes.
    This is so great for everyone. Blair gets mentored by one of the greatest to ever play, and Duncan gets to pay it forward, something he's talked about after his experience with Robinson. It's going to be something to watch Blair grow.

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    Thanks Mel_13. Appreciate the first-hand account.



    This is so great for everyone. Blair gets mentored by one of the greatest to ever play, and Duncan gets to pay it forward, something he's talked about after his experience with Robinson. It's going to be something to watch Blair grow.

    That's what makes the Spurs such a class organization. It's that type of mentoring and teamwork that - in large part - has created the winning culture that we're all familiar with. It mostly started with Big Dave.

    As cool as it was to see Dave mentor Tim, it's also just as cool to see Tim now passing that down to the youngsters. Too bad Blair likely wont have as much time to play with Tim as Tim did with Big Dave.

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    Have you seen all the interviews with Hill this year? He really looks damaged by the treatment he received at the hands of evil Pop. What for ude these players have, winning year after year despite the terrible mind games. They're so psychologically damaged that, not only do they not complain while on the team, they continue to praise him after leaving the team.

    Also, Hill's minutes did not "slowly evaporate over the season'. They took a sharp drop for the last 14 games of the season.
    Great for George, that he survived his first year with Pop. All I'm saying is it must not have been an easy rookie season seeing his game minutes bounce around more erratically than a pinball, and then to find himself basically benched for the latter part of the season only to be reactivated in the thick of a playoff series. Playing for Pop must be akin to braving the world's biggest rollercoaster.

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    He's not going to play much anyways.

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    Thanks for the first hand account Mel_13. Can't wait until the season.

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    Bowen only shot something like 35% on threes when he joined the Spurs also. His average skyrocketed when he joined the Spurs' system.

    Now that Bogans IS signed, we might as well just consider the facts as they are now. Cutting him will mean the Spurs still pay his contract. Signing Hairston will cost the Spurs another $1.5 million or something like that. I love his game, but I wouldn't blame the Spurs for not thinking he's worth that much yet.

    The FO is spending a lot on Blair, 'Dyess and Jefferson. If saving a couple million here and there on players who will barely play makes the ownership more comfortable and able to spend on real impact players like those three, I'll take that trade-off every time. It's easy to say "I'd just take the financial hit" when it's not a few million of my dollars being flushed down the toilet. Spending that on winning is one thing. Spending on barely proven potential that will make minimal difference if any is another.

    Edit: All that said, I'd rather have Bruce back than Bogans, and I'd rather have someone like Dahntay Jones than both Hairston AND Bogans. But again, not my money, and I'm happy with everything the FO has done.

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    Waive Marcus Williams. Hairston gets 15th spot.
    this +100000000000000000

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    I am merely a simple fan who does not possess the necessary basketball a en for such a task.

    But if I did....
    I love how you start off with the humility and than proceed to prove how ridiculous it is to say that you don't possess 'the necessary basketball a en'; as if that's ever truly stopped most that do pontificate on this board.

    'Mel's 13 Thoughts' looks to have a future; that's if they're to be presented by Blackjack21. -- Hey, I'll give you the name and idea, but you can't expect me to not take ANY credit. --

    Well done, Mel.

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    Thanks for the timvp impression Mel. Well done my friend.

    I've missed you. How have you been?

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    Hey spurs fans, I'm not really an "in the know guy" but i hope they don't waive Bogans or Hairston. Bogans, as we all know was signed by the Spurs because of his defensive tenacity, plus stats really don't matter that much to Pop as long as the guy can be used and is giving it his all. I think Bogans can be the Spurs' perimeter stopper. As for Hairston, he has really improved from last years summer league and his stint with the Toros, you can really see that he can know play in the big leagues, and besides, he's still young so we can still expect a lot of improvement from him. If the Spurs want to take someone out, i think it should be either by trade or waiving an unproved player who still hasn't proven his worth(Marcus Williams).

    Go Spurs Go!

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    I love how you start off with the humility and than proceed to prove how ridiculous it is to say that you don't possess 'the necessary basketball a en'; as if that's ever truly stopped most that do pontificate on this board.

    'Mel's 13 Thoughts' looks to have a future; that's if they're to be presented by Blackjack21. -- Hey, I'll give you the name and idea, but you can't expect me to not take ANY credit. --

    Well done, Mel.
    You dirty little traitor.

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    You dirty little traitor.
    I figured I should have notified you that Blackjack21 was looking to expand his clientele..

    Don't worry, Tell 'Em.

    Blackjack21 may be getting big-time -- and the first-person references are only going to get worse from here on out -- but that just means Blackjack21's going to have more means and 'pull' to help out a client like yourself..

    You're the first ever to don Blackjack21's sponsorship and Blackjack21 doesn't take that likely; Blackjack21 is nothing if not loyal.

    Blackjack21's got your back, Tell 'Em.

    Blackjack21 is just doing what Blackjack21 is supposed to do.

    Doubling down.

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    Thanks for the timvp impression Mel. Well done my friend.

    I've missed you. How have you been?
    All is well, looking forward to games that count.

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    I love how you start off with the humility and than proceed to prove how ridiculous it is to say that you don't possess 'the necessary basketball a en'; as if that's ever truly stopped most that do pontificate on this board.

    'Mel's 13 Thoughts' looks to have a future; that's if they're to be presented by Blackjack21. -- Hey, I'll give you the name and idea, but you can't expect me to not take ANY credit. --

    Well done, Mel.


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