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    they better ing keep hairston

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    they better ing keep hairston
    They have no reason to waive this guy IMO.

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    Spurs may be keeping these guys so they can be used in a trade. Mason Jr. is a great shooter, but unfortunately alot of his heroics were due to a game-long lack of defense from the spurs as a team. The lakers was a prime example. He hit a tough shot and dumb derek fisher was in the wrong place at the wrong time. We led that game by 12 in the beggining of the fourth or something and Lakers came back and took the lead for a while. That was a high scoring game for the spurs, everbody was making shots, but spurs couldn't stop anybody. A Spurs-like Defensive effort would have won the game and kept the lakers in their rear-view mirror. Finley can only shoot now. And Bonner is making $3million cause he is 6-10 and can launch 3's. Bogans will stay since he can play D and hit shots, However the spurs maybe stocking up on wings and bigs to make a 3 for 2 trade or something to get a Center and Wing-defender. Options - Blazers ( Pryzbilla and Fernandez/outlaw ) Bobcats ( Diop and Bell ) Rockets ( Scola and Battier ) Pacers ( Murphy and Dantay Jones ) Bogans is a keeper, but Finley/Mason Jr./Matt Bonner/Ian Mahinmi are all on the chopping block for possible trades to get a 7 footer and Wing Defender combo. Some of those trades may not seem possible considering contracts and stuff, and the teams involved. Rebounding and Wing defending is going to be a priority amongst the FO ( assuming that Blair is treated like a POP rookie = not enough playing time to make a big impact ). Thats why I think another trade is brewing, and thats why I suggested trades above.

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    Again with trading for Diop huh?

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    Again with trading for Diop huh?
    I'm not big on diop, but i am big on having a 7foot center and a wing Defender. Better yet if Malik Hairston who is young, athletic and has been solid Defensively can hit shots ( open 3's ) then I am a go for Hairston starting at the 2 and trading to get a shot-blocking Center, With Diop not even being a last option.

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    Diop and Bell would be a useless trade..I've watched 2 of the Bobcats preseason games so far, and Bell's defense looks horrible..he's definitely lost a lot IMO..Diop is beyond horrible..

    There's no chance that Portland trades Pryzbilla and Rudy, especially not a rival..no chance..I would love having Pryzbilla, but it's just very unlikely..

    Rockets aren't trading Scola back to us, wtf?..Battier would obviously interest me, but I don't see it..

    Indiana is possible, but that trade doesn't interest me..Dahntay Jones is 100% athleticism and nothing else at all..Hairston can be better than Jones for less $ in a year or 2, maybe even this year IMO..Murphy doesn't give us a shot blocking presence, which is what we potentially lack..

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    Were one piece away from having an edge on the lakers. If you have a shotblocking C that means that guys like bogans can get up in someones grill and force them baseline to the help. Example 99' finals, Slow Mario Elie was playing tight D on fast Latrell sprewell knowing he had Duncan/Robinson at the Rim. If you have a perimeter Defender then the help isn't as important. You can have a Decent C at the Rim cause a solid wing-Defender will slow a player down without needing that much help. Example 2009' West Semi-finals Battier didnt have anyone significant protecting the Rim but he still managed to give Kobe a hardtime.

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    Agent's fees, naming rights, it might be too much, too fast.

    Do you accept SpursTalk Cash as a form of payment?
    Proper credit and SpursTalk Cash should suffice.

    Stick with Blackjack21, Mel, and you're going straight to the top; that is of a Spurs message board loaded with some rather questionable and, otherwise unseemly, characters.

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    Were one piece away from having an edge on the lakers. If you have a shotblocking C that means that guys like bogans can get up in someones grill and force them baseline to the help. Example 99' finals, Slow Mario Elie was playing tight D on fast Latrell sprewell knowing he had Duncan/Robinson at the Rim. If you have a perimeter Defender then the help isn't as important. You can have a Decent C at the Rim cause a solid wing-Defender will slow a player down without needing that much help. Example 2009' West Semi-finals Battier didnt have anyone significant protecting the Rim but he still managed to give Kobe a hardtime.
    I don't disagree that we need another shot blocker..I just don't think any of those guys are legit options..

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    Diop and Bell would be a useless trade..I've watched 2 of the Bobcats preseason games so far, and Bell's defense looks horrible..he's definitely lost a lot IMO..Diop is beyond horrible..

    There's no chance that Portland trades Pryzbilla and Rudy, especially not a rival..no chance..I would love having Pryzbilla, but it's just very unlikely..

    Rockets aren't trading Scola back to us, wtf?..Battier would obviously interest me, but I don't see it..

    Indiana is possible, but that trade doesn't interest me..Dahntay Jones is 100% athleticism and nothing else at all..Hairston can be better than Jones for less $ in a year or 2, maybe even this year IMO..Murphy doesn't give us a shot blocking presence, which is what we potentially lack..
    I have watched Bell as well. It is slightly pre-mature to label Bell as horrible since it is pre-season, but I have noticed what you have noticed. Maybe he took the McDyess/ Duncan route this off-season and is just now working back into shape.

    I really honestly can see Hairston earning some minutes this year like the way Stephen Jackson did in 2003. Maybe not as significant, but so far (from some sources) the Spurs love his game and are taken back by how much of a stride he has taken in one year in improving his game in all phases on both sides of the court. Look for him to get some run and keeping it.

    That all being said I don't foresee any of those trade situations playing out. Although come the deadline and if we look like we may be missing a piece Nocioni could be a more realistic possibility.

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    I have watched Bell as well. It is slightly pre-mature to label Bell as horrible since it is pre-season, but I have noticed what you have noticed. Maybe he took the McDyess/ Duncan route this off-season and is just now working back into shape.

    I really honestly can see Hairston earning some minutes this year like the way Stephen Jackson did in 2003. Maybe not as significant but so far from some sources the Spurs love his game and are taken back how much of a stride he has taken in one year. Look for him to get some run and keeping it.

    That all being said I don't foresee any of those trade situations playing out. Although come the deadline and if we look like we may be missing a piece Nocioni could be a more realistic possibility.
    The deadline will definitely be the best scenario..maybe Hairston will have stepped up and earned a spot, which is very possible, and would fill a need..maybe Ratliff will be our shot blocker..too early to tell..

    The positive is that we have some assets to make moves in our expiring contracts..if we need a Nocioni or a Jackson or a Camby, it'll be possible with the assets IMO..

    good position to be in..

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    I'm not big on diop, but i am big on having a 7foot center and a wing Defender. Better yet if Malik Hairston who is young, athletic and has been solid Defensively can hit shots ( open 3's ) then I am a go for Hairston starting at the 2 and trading to get a shot-blocking Center, With Diop not even being a last option.
    If you're not big on Diop, why do you keep suggesting the Spurs trade for him? He sucks, he has a bad contract. End of story.

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    If you're not big on Diop, why do you keep suggesting the Spurs trade for him? He sucks, he has a bad contract. End of story.
    he is a good post defender and takes up space in the paint, Decent shotblocker.

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    I don't disagree that we need another shot blocker..I just don't think any of those guys are legit options..
    Name some C's or Wing Defenders you would go after.

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    Hairston reallly could end up making some two-guards on our roster expendable. I won't mention any names because people think I have something against the guy, but that's not the case.

    The Spurs are faced with a dilemna this off-season to resign Manu, the possibility of Splitter joining forces with Duncan finally, and to also address any other needs at years end. If they don't plan on giving Mason a contract worth 5-7 million ( his value) this off-season, then Spurs would be wise to trade him this year to get something back for not only this year but the ensuing years as well. Hairston's play the first three months of this year will be factor for this to possibly play out. Spurs love Mason, but sometimes better business is better business.

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    Hairston reallly could end up making some two-guards on our roster expendable. I won't mention any names because people think I have something against the guy, but that's not the case.

    The Spurs are faced with a dilemna this off-season to resign Manu, the possibility of Splitter joining forces with Duncan finally, and to also addressing any other needs at years end. If they don't plan on giving Mason a contract worth 5-7 million ( his value) this off-season, then Spurs would be wise to trade him this year to get something back for not only this year but the ensuing years as well. Hairston's play the first three months of this year will be factor for this to possibly play out. Spurs love Mason, but sometimes better business is better business.
    Made Perfect Sense. Who do people think you have a problem with?

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    he is a good post defender and takes up space in the paint, Decent shotblocker.
    No, he's not a good post defender. He commits twice as many fouls as shots he blocks. He's big. That's all he's got going for him. And in a complicated system like the Spurs run, simply being big isn't enough.

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    No, he's not a good post defender. He commits twice as many fouls as shots he blocks. He's big. That's all he's got going for him. And in a complicated system like the Spurs run, simply being big isn't enough.
    Thats funny, he sure gave Duncan some problems. But anywho, who do you feel the spurs need to get to the top again, a C or Wing Defender or both?

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    Thats funny, he sure gave Duncan some problems. But anywho, who do you feel the spurs need to get to the top again, a C or Wing Defender or both?
    Gee, if he's so good at defending Duncan, I wonder why the mavs got rid of him?

    I think the Spurs have enough to get to the top. That being said if the Spurs can get a skilled center, I'm all for it. But those guys are few and far between. And Diop sure as isn't skilled. Unskilled players do not help us.

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    Neither do undersized Centers ( BONNER ) and to a lesser extent Mcdyess ( although he can hold his own he is only 6-9 )

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    Bynum 7-1 / Gasol 7-0 / Odom agile 6-10 with athleticism how do we defend against them then? Bonner is going to be huge in a Series against the lakers won't he, Kinda like he was huge in the Series vs the Mavs. Only then he couldn't handle 7-0 Erika Dampier. I'm sure he will be able to be our 3rd big guarding Bynum/Gasol/Odom

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    Neither do undersized Centers ( BONNER ) and to a lesser extent Mcdyess ( although he can hold his own he is only 6-9 )
    Bonner > Diop
    McDyess >>>>>> Diop

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    Bynum 7-1 / Gasol 7-0 / Odom agile 6-10
    3 guys against whom Diop doesn't help us.

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    Odom isn't anything to worry about, as I keep saying..he can't create his own offense..he's a good rebounder and defender..his offense isn't anything significant other than his ability to be a finisher..we should worry about him as a rebounder/defender/finisher, not as a creator in any way..

    Bynum and Gasol will be tough to guard, so we'll have to see how we stack up..Duncan will take Bynum, and McDyess will take Gasol..we'll have to see how it looks..it's not like there are many guys that can guard Gasol anyways..

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    Odom isn't anything to worry about, as I keep saying..he can't create his own offense..he's a good rebounder and defender..his offense isn't anything significant other than his ability to be a finisher..we should worry about him as a rebounder/defender/finisher, not as a creator in any way..

    Bynum and Gasol will be tough to guard, so we'll have to see how we stack up..Duncan will take Bynum, and McDyess will take Gasol..we'll have to see how it looks..it's not like there are many guys that can guard Gasol anyways..
    The height advantage is what im worried about. Gasol 7-0 shot over the head of Boozer 6-9 last season in the playoffs with absolute ease. Im sure he can do the same with Mcdyess. We need a 7footer that can move his feet. Not fast but decent. And that gasol cant just shoot over the top off.

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