That "writer" obviously meant, "Once upon a time the Phoenix Suns were the best regular season team in the Western Conference," which was true in 2004-05.
WOW, WOW, WOW, JMark, the excellent Suns analyst!
I can't agree more with your point of view especially on the comments of Colangelo, D'Antoni and Sarver.
You should go to azcentral.com Suns board to tape your analysis and share with those thirsty Suns fans.
Thanks... Let's not over-hype it, though.
Btw JMarks, how bout mutha in 22? I didn't see it coming, but I'll take it.
Also, that's a copyrighted article, so, if you're going to post it, link it please (to this specific thread).
Last edited by JMarkJohns; 10-19-2009 at 12:18 PM.
All I can do is laugh. I mean, I'm thrilled, and I see why, but that was so out of the blue, it literally floored me with its awesomeness. Two "potential" wins up next vs. Washington State and UCLA, both at home, could have them climbing. How big is that BS replay decision vs. Washington? Arizona could be top-15.
O god, if they beat Washington, they'd be rose bowl contenders.
IMO, Foles is the best QB in the Pac-10 right now.
I think 8-4 is extremely doable. With Oregon at home, 9-3 could be done as well...
Both will be tough......Cal, USC and Oregon are all superior teams. They were supposed to have a great D this year....now that the O is there, it's time the D steps up like it was supposed to.
Just like Joe Frazier had Mohammad ali against the ropes in the Thrilla in Manila...
tee, hee.
The whole Suns organization is ass backwards right now. You fire the best coach for the run n gun style for a coach that you want to preach defense and slow down the tempo...you trade away most of the players that excel in run n gun and bring in Shaq and others then fire Porter bc his style isnt working. You then say your going back to run n gun with Gentry yet your personel is severly lacking for said style. Sarver and Kerr ed Suns fans
That's it in a nuts .
You were beaten, but, not beat.
Sarver is obviously cheap and one of the worst owners in sports, but dont get too enamored wth JMarkJohn's "insight". Nobody cares because all of this has been said a million times already. Theres nothing new here.
Also, JMarksJohn went along with the every stupid cliche that was thrown against the Suns. Namely that D'Antoni didnt play his bench, Casey Jacobsen was a "hustler", DJ Strawberry deserved minutes etc. And he's crazy if he thinks Amare was ever benched for fouling someone (or attempting to play defense like JMark is implying). D'Antoni would never bench Amare when he provided so much offense. Im basically calling him a liar and telling you that this incident NEVER happened. Not in the way he's implying, anyway. The only way Amare got benched was because he was in foul trouble.
Last edited by da_suns_fan; 10-19-2009 at 11:00 AM.
Somebody better call somebody!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is wrong. The Suns offered the 6/60 million dollar offer BEFORE Atlanta gave its offer. The Suns then countered with 6/75.
Ummm...excuse me Stephen Glass, but is that a direct quote or did you just MAKE THAT UP!!! No wonder your "piece" doesnt get picked up. Its compelte !
Again, this is why youre not taken seriously. He never said he would pay "whatever it took". This is some really crappy "journalism"
D'Antoni was gone because they wanted a change in philosophy, not for financial reasons as you are implying. D'Antoni was still under contract and the Suns let him out of it. However, rather than just firing him, they allowed him to get another job first wich saved them money because if they fired him before he had another NBA offer, they would have to pay out the rest of his contract.
btw - You were totally on board with getting rid of him!! (As was I)
This "article" was total amateur hour. Not QUITE as bad as Eric "Emplay" Picnus or the rest of the "journalists" from Hoopsworld, but close.
Sarver and Kerr
Recipe for disaster
For the couple dozen in attendance here---for the circle jerk going on in the Spurs Forum over there, not to mention the few poor souls in the Piston Wailing Wall down the hall a piece,,,ladies & gentlemen,,,,,,LET'S GET READY TO RUMBLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
If I didn't have complete trust in the content of my article, I wouldn't have bothered shopping it, nor would I have even posted it. Some of your critique's are valid, others exaggerated. As I've worked half my adult life in Journalism, and studied for longer, I believe I understand what it is supposed to be. I have been a Suns fan for 20 years of my life, and during the time frame in question, I literally tape recorded 75% of the games aired. I not only watched games once, but twice or three times.
You're en led to your opinion, but half of what you mention I said in my "crappy journalism" was never mentioned in the piece. I never said anything of D'Antoni, except that many credit him with the rise of the Suns, so your comments against my piece that claim I blame him for stuff is invalid. The critiques on D'Antoni came in post-discussion of the article, so feel free to critique that, but please do not lump it in with the separate article. I also used ESPN.com articles to reconstruct the Joe Johnson situation. If I'm wrong, they are wrong.
Nobody wanted to print it because nobody wants to admit the Suns have died, and the tone of the article offers almost zero hope of the future while criticizing those responsible for past failures. It wasn't written to appease, nor appeal to everybody. I never figured it an article for fans like yourself. Still, you not only read it, but read my subsequent posts on the topic, so...
Lastly, I was on board and rejoiced at D'Antoni's departure. The piece wasn't about D'Antoni. It wasn't on why the Suns failed to win a le, but that the Suns failed to win a le and the gloom of the future based upon history of Sarver's tenure. Why would I take away focus from the villain in my piece (Sarver) to make some passing backhanded comments about D'Antoni? Too many people of focus make for a distracting and jumbled read. So, I gave D'Antoni credit where the general opinion grants. I didn't say it was my opinion, nor did I pass such off as fact.
Overall, when you shop an article around, it's never as a finished product. I don't have complete access to entire archives. Had a fact-checker discovered something wrong, it's an easy change since it wouldn't have been that off in the first place. Considering my qualifications, that I received an "A" on the piece in my CAPSTONE journalism class, and that I had a friend (former colleague) from the East Valley Tribune staff look it over, I think I'll take professional opinions on the article over those from someone who's always attacked me at every turn, simply because my definition if success (winning a le) doesn't match his (being the most popular team in the League).
Still, glad you read it.
Last edited by JMarkJohns; 10-19-2009 at 01:20 PM.
You are completely clueless. You cant just make up quotes!! This is journalism 101!!! Im sure your capstone teacher would have docked you a few letter grades if they realized your piece was partially fabricated!
In addition, if you want to know why the az republic and east valley tribune didnt pick it up, I could provide you some reasons (besides the fact that it would have been a national story if they ran piece that was a sieve). Ive read Young, Bickley and Coro's pieces on Sarver and yours is very different from something they would write.
Your piece is more informative than persuasive. Youre just basically cherry-picking transactions the front office has made over the last five years. Its very hard to follow for someone who isnt a die-hard Suns fan. Besides, this all has already been said to death. If you REALLY want a piece ran, call it "top five Sarver mistakes". I guarantee it will be the most read at realclearsports.com (people love articles like that).
Last edited by da_suns_fan; 10-19-2009 at 02:24 PM.
Out of all the mistakes Sarver made, the most unforgivable was the wasting of all those draft picks. Basically, the Suns could just about made up for everything else if they had just made use of the picks.
And JMarkJohns used to be a Yuma sportswriter? Just think, you're partially responsible for informing the ducks database.
Now THATS a story I'd like to read!!
I mean, has there ever been a more inept duo?
Kerr gets all the "Credit" for hiring Terry Porter. A move so disasterous he was forced to fire him mid-way through the season.
Drafting Robin Lopez and Goran Dragic was a flop. Especially considering the pick they traded away for Dragic turned out to be Dejaun Blair!
But who gets "credit" for trading for Shaquille Oneal? We know that Miami's owner floated the idea directly to Sarver rather than using their respective GMs. Was Miami's owner afraid that Kerr would squash it right away and Sarver would never even hear about it if he went about trades the normal way? Did he want to sell the benefits of having Shaq on your season ticket package to Sarver before the basketball people had a chance to weigh in?
You cant really blame Kerr for trading away KT and two picks for nothing. Thats all Sarver. The Suns figured out how to perform the NBA equivalent of an NFL cut (where you no longer have to pay them): trade them away for nothing!
And if that doesnt work, bribe other teams with first round draft picks!
It wasn't a direct quote. Obviously he didn't "bluster" ... it was summary via use of hyperbole. If you understood the context of the article, it's tongue in cheek. The Suns obviously aren't dead, and nobody is really attending a funeral or vigil for them. The facts are the facts, but the ways in which they are presented is done a subtly sarcastic manner. The quotes aren't "made up" but are rather a summary of an entire event through one sentence. You are literally the only person to think it an issue, and that includes former colleagues/staff of Sports Departments just as familiar with the situation. Everybody else understood the point of the column, and understood the use of summary and hyperbole.
As for the remainder, it is different, which is why I thought I'd try to get it published. And while some of the content has been said a number of times on message boards, it's not necessarily something belabored upon in the Phoenix media, at least not to the extent you're making out. And, certainly, nobody has eulogized the Suns in this fashion. It's a different type of read.
Agreed. Iguodala, Turiaf and Rondo would be nice additions to this team right now. No idea whom the Suns might have picked had they ever intended to keep the picks, but I know they attempted to trade the package received from Chicago to Toronto, then Philadelphia in an effort to draft Iguodala.
Yeah... That paper has downsized by 40% of the staff I was once a part of. The current market for newspapers just has everything in a tailspin. I left to finish a second degree before the hit the fan. I hate to see this current situation.And JMarkJohns used to be a Yuma sportswriter? Just think, you're partially responsible for informing the ducks database.
You have GOT to be kidding me.
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