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I realize this response is pages behind; but I was responding to a believer in my post; so we already agree on the existence of God, I was making a point to him.
since the real post is seen by simply scrolling up the page added to the fact that I did not post anything, it is clear that I am just decoding the hidden message in posts like yours.
If by definition you see that as lying, so be it.....
in regards to facts about evolution, 9/11 and any other topic, I don't pull arguments out of my ass and twist them around as fact like yourself.....which in effect is lying.
I realize this response is pages behind; but I was responding to a believer in my post; so we already agree on the existence of God, I was making a point to him.
Sucks to be 101A right now...started this thread intending to be the heroic, scientifically literate believer, smacking down athiestic and agnostic strawmen left and right. The those strawmen turned into real live human beings named spursncowboys and mouse.
@ Blake you sure live up to the ignorant Evolutionist theories!
So you have to be an expert in order to debate around here? How else do people find things out if they don't debate or ask questions? If your so smart why not save us 10 pages of bull and show us proof we evolved from space snot.
All I see in this topic is Intelligent designer's and Creationist posting links,videos, and proof of their theories, and a bunch of Atheist's finger pointing and slinging insults mixed in with some very cheesy re-fried 1992 smack from Blake.
If you guys spent 1/2 the time you do insulting others and calling them lier's you may be bale to prove we came from snails but I have yet to see it.
someone PM me when some real debaters enter this topic............
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Don't you think it's a bit odd that there are virtually NO Public debates between evolution-believing scientists and Creation scientists? And considering the fact that roughly half of all scientists (and 90 % of the public) believe in (either spontaneous or slow) Creation this is even more astounding.
What are evolution-believing scientists and the mass media so afraid of? In other words: IF the theory of evolution is anywhere near as sound as they (want us to) believe, then why not have some publicly televised debates on this issue?
And why are virtually all media "reporters" afraid to give Creationist Scientists ANY of their time? Are they simply afraid that the facts might upset their "faith" (or lack of it), or are they afraid that their liberal bosses and co-workers won't approve of what they might Discover: that is, IF they were to actually report on what they found? And that is a mighty BIG IF isn't it?
Last edited by mouse; 10-18-2009 at 07:34 PM.
Someone has proof of an invisible supreme being created the universe and all life in it? I must have missed that post.
What is there to debate? A creationist has one caveat that is both unprovable and a dead end. "Well God did it" or "god has a plan". What idiots like you fail to understand is there is no "debate" with creationists.Don't you think it's a bit odd that there are virtually NO Public debates between evolution-believing scientists and Creation scientists?
lol roughly half? Where are you getting that number?And considering the fact that roughly half of all scientists (and 90 % of the public) believe in (either spontaneous or slow) Creation this is even more astounding.
Dangerous idiots.What are evolution-believing scientists and the mass media so afraid of?
Televised debates on the issue? Are you serious? You seem to love talking about what is being taught in schools. Maybe you should attend a lecture on evolution and ask some questions.In other words: IF the theory of evolution is anywhere near as sound as they (want us to) believe, then why not have some publicly televised debates on this issue?
Because we already know what they think and again, their view is not debatable.And why are virtually all media "reporters" afraid to give Creationist Scientists ANY of their time?
What facts? Are we talking about this post that proves there's a god again?Are they simply afraid that the facts might upset their "faith" (or lack of it), or are they afraid that their liberal bosses and co-workers won't approve of what they might Discover: that is, IF they were to actually report on what they found? And that is a mighty BIG IF isn't it?
^ prefect example in the post above, People who can't grasp the fact the Evolutionist hide and don't want public debates. And after his quotes no evidence to support his Snail to man half baked theories.
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Helium in the Atmosphere:
Helium is a byproduct of the radioactive decay of uranium-238. As uranium decays, the helium produced escapes from the earth's surface and ac ulates in the atmosphere. As time passes, the amount of helium in the atmosphere increases. Scientists have estimated the amount of uranium in the earth's crustal rocks. From this they estimate the amount of helium that should be produced, and from these they can calculate how much helium is being added to the atmosphere over a given amount of time. They also know how much helium is in the atmosphere.
If we use the same assumptions that radiometric dating experts make (i.e.: no initial daughter/byproduct -- in this case helium -- in the earth's early atmosphere, a constant decay rate, and that nothing has occurred to add to or take away the helium), then the earth's atmosphere is at most 1.76 million years old. 16,17 Other estimates say it is much less (or a maximum of only 175,000 years). 18
For a much more detailed discussion see: Helium Evidence for a Young World Remains Crystal Clear, and Helium Evidence for A Young World Overcomes Pressure, by D. Russell Humphreys, Ph.D.
I realize you're just trolling. But I think you actually believe some of the you've been posting. Can't say I'm shocked.
^ Nice evidence of Evolution please post more!
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What Are They Thinking?
Paleontology and especially Anthropaleontology are rife with fuzzy thinking and this story wins the prize for evolutionary fiction. Paleontologist Dan Gebo of Northern Illinois University reported the finding of a “missing link” between lower and higher primates. They reported their research in the Journal of Human Evolution (London) April, 2000.
They found the fossil in tons of muddy rubbish from a limestone quarry 100 miles west of Shanghai. The limestone was dated as Triassic rock some 220 million years old. This was much too old for primates as it was supposed to be right at the age of the beginning of the dinosaurs, so they assigned the fossil to a more acceptable 45 million years because the limestone had some “fissures” that dated to that age.
The article “Researchers Discover Fossils of Tiny, Thumb – Length Primates?” goes on to quote: “The researchers say the tiny primates were tree dwellers that relied on a steady diet of insects, fruit and nectar to fuel their high metabolisms. Unlike contemporary higher primates, the tiny primates were nocturnal and solitary creatures.”
“The implications are staggering’ Gebo said. ‘You would think that early higher primates would have a lot of characteristics of later higher primates, which were social creatures that occupied a daytime niche. It probably means we’re getting close to the transition between higher and lower primates.’”
The bones the researchers were excited about were a few heel bones of the primates that were about the size of a grain of rice. What is truly staggering here is the fantasy made up by Gebo based on such flimsy evidence. This is wishful thinking on a flight of fancy. How did he “know” all this evidence? He wanted it to be so to support his evolutionary ideas and he looked at it all through his evolutionary glasses.
This is not an isolated incident. Paleontology is rife with such leaps of logic, false deductions and wishful thinking.
Saturn's Rings The planet Saturn has rings around it but the rings are moving away from the planet, they are gradually expanding out. They cannot be billions of years old; they would have been gone by now. When voyagers sailed to one of the rings of Saturn, they said it looked like it was braided. They said Man, all these particles are in motion. You cannot keep that finely, braided texture from millions of years. Probably less than 10,000 years is a reasonable estimate.
So they evolve. Thanks.
trolling from two different screen names^ Nice evidence of Evolution please post more!
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So they're not billions of years old. What's your point mouse?
Ah, my bad. Uhm... peace be with you.
how so, mouse?
I love how creationists believe the world is 6,000 years old and cite a 10,000 year old tree as evidence.
Why even argue this. We are all here. That is all that matters.
mouse is not a creationist but you would know that if you took the time to read his replies.. also mouse knows trees die but the dead ones don't have any rings past 10.000 years. why is it all trees around the world know exactly when to die? (don't bother to answer you evolutionist just insult never post proof)
Second: don't talk about love, that is an area you know nothing about. your an atheist you came from a snail what do you know from love?
love is an emotion that requires you have a soul or a spirit how can you have one without a creator?
Slowing Earth Another factor. The earth is spinning - we are turning around. How many knew [sic] that already? We are turning around. You know the earth is going a little over 1,000 miles an hour at the equator, but the earth is slowing down. It is actually slowing down 1000th of a second everyday. Pensacola News Journal, 1990, said on December 6, “Earth’s rotation is slowing down, June will be one second longer than normal. The earth is slowing down 1000th of a second every day.” Astronomy magazine announced, 1992 in the June edition, “Earth’s rotation is slowing down, June is going to be one second longer than normal.” We will have to have a “leap second.” A leap second? Most people have heard of leap year, but lots of folks have never heard of leap second. Did you know we have a leap second about every year and a half now because the earth is slowing down.
because mouse wants the lies out of the children's text books. Would you want your kids text books to show it was really a bunch of black guys from Harlem who defended the Alamo?
Come on people think.
Sahara Desert Did you know the Sahara Desert has what is called a prevailing wind pattern? The wind almost always blows the same direction. But that creates a problem because as the ground dries out and turns to desert, it keeps spreading. [The] Sahara Desert is growing. Now people living along the edge are speeding up the process, but even without people the desert would grow. Right now it is growing 4 to 5 miles a year. Well, [the] Sahara Desert is only 1300 miles north to south. It can only be a few thousand years old. Now, that does not prove the universe is a few thousand years old, I understand all that, but it is interesting [that] it fits what the Bible says. See the Bible says God created the world about 6,000 years ago. 4400 years ago there was flood. It is pretty hard to have a desert under a flood and so the desert had to start forming after The Flood was gone. Common sense? So if the earth is billions of years old, why do we not have a bigger desert some place? Why is it only a few thousand years old? Interesting!
You insult people and have yet to post any evidence. No wonder you claim you never lie how can you? you don't really do any debating.
Oil Pressure .. The oil is under incredible pressure down there; it will come squirting up out of the ground like a big zit, because oil wells sometimes have 20,000 pounds per square inch. Put that in your back tires and watch what happens! 20,000 psi! The guys who study the rocks on top of the oil, say you know that rock cannot handle that pressure for more than probably 10 or 15,000 years. The rock should have cracked; the pressure should have leaked off. Okay, well than I have two obvious questions. Where did the oil come from and why is it still under pressure? If the pressure can only last 10,000 years, why is there still pressure down there? ...
How close is your nose to your taint? This whole topic is about proving evolution does, or does not exist and mouse proved the solar system is not 4 billion years old and you say "so" "what does that prove?"So they evolve. Thanks.
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So they're not billions of years old. What's your point mouse?
And since yo took on the role of stand up comedian of the topic how about taking 4 minutes of your lonely so sex getting life and start posting some facts yo help out your buddy Blake?
Mississippi Mud ..... Did you know 80,000 tons of mud every hour comes down the Mississippi and dumps off in New Orleans? The Delta is growing larger and larger and larger. Nobody argues about that. But, they studied the Delta because they drill through it all the time looking for oil down there; they know the thickness of the mud, that is not a problem. Based on the amount of mud that comes down every year, they say the Delta probably formed in less than 30,000 years. That is pretty old, but I have a question. If the earth is millions of years old, why isn’t the whole Gulf of Mexico full of mud by now? .....
I'm still waiting for an answer at where evolution stops. If animals can micro evolve, where does that specifically stop?
You are aware of tectonic plate movement, continental drift, etc etc? Or are you discounting those as well?
Translation: I rather be like Blake and Shaterfan and come up with lame comebacks rather than post any evidence that proves man evolved from hot soup.
Stalac es and Stalagmites How many have ever gone into a cave and the guide said "Don’t touch the stalac es, they take millions of years to form." You ever heard that? You go to Carlsbad Caverns, they will say it took 250 million years to make this cavern. They say it takes 1,000 years to grow one inch of stalac e. I do not think so! There is a bat covered up with flowstone before he could rot from National Geographic. Don’t you think the bat would rot in less than a few thousand years; preserved on top of a stalagmite, they grow even slower. There are 50-inch long stalac es growing under the Lincoln Memorial. It was built in 1922; did Lincoln die 50,000 years ago? ....
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