So, no straight answer. You only named one coach that was available at any point from May 23, 2006 to the present day.
The real truth is you don't want to answer the question. You're a one-joke comic and without Pop to hate your routine would die.
I ask again.
Name any three coaches that were available at any point from May 23, 2006 to the present day who would have improved the fortunes of the Spurs over that period of time. (PJ has been gainfully employed during that period)
The truth is, i want to know why am i limited to May 23, 2006 and thereafter?
Yeah i would have run Popped sooner if he refused his proper demotion to defensive coach.
Because i believe Phil J would have heavily considered the Spurs after Kobme got him ran. Which is not to say i can't and won't come up with 20 more choices.
Can't do it, can you?
And you keep bringing up PJ. You can't seriously think that:
1. The Spurs would demote/fire Pop after the 04-05 season
2. That the man who played in NY and coached in Chicago and LA would ever relocate to San Antonio.
But, let's remove the date limits anyway. I'll grant you that PJ and Riley are superior as coaches. Like PJ, Riley has spent his NBA life in LA, NY, and Miami. He wasn't ever coming to San Antonio, either.
You have repeatedly asserted that Pop's bad coaching has cost the Spurs multiple additional championships.
So beginning with Duncan's arrival in 1997, name a few coaches outside of PJ and Riley who would have led the Spurs to greater success in the Duncan era.
Waiting........
saw him on the training vid a few days ago. Finley looks in damn good shape. he could be the most cut player on the Spurs
“He is just as valuable as ever,” Popovich said. “There's no maybe about it. He's very valuable to us. He's a wonderful player; conscientious at both ends of the court. He shoots the basketball and is a great leader for us, on and off the court.”
I shoot the basketball too and I'll work for much less than Fin.
How did this work out for you?
http://www.nba.com/dleague/austin/To...ts-050927.html
My point being that that statement to me is ridiculous sounding. "He shoots the basketball"? So does everyone else on our team and Pop's not using that as a compliment for them, is he? Just seems silly, imo.
mando
Someone pointed a microphone in his face and asked a question about Finley. What was he supposed to say? To me, it was just typical coachspeak, imo. I wish Finley had not picked up his option and we could have just replaced him with a younger player, but for now he's a Spur. Whether Pop wants to play him or trade him, it is in the interest of the Spurs for all public comments to be positive ones.
Haven't you ever listened to Pop interviews before?
And Fabbs slinks away again, failing to deliver on his promise of a simple answer to a simple question.
Pop-hate: intact
Finley-hate: intact
Credibility: absent as ever
lol Fabbs. Mel seems to be in the driver's seat...
The spurs messed up when they resigned him after 07-08 cause it was 2 years and a player option ( mistake 1) with a no trade clause i believe ( mistake 2 ). So im not to sure if they can trade him, if they wanted to.
It was one year plus a one year option. He does not have a no-trade clause. He was not available to be traded from the end of the season until the date he made a decision on his option. He had until July 1, 2009 to make that decision. He had not made that decision as of June 24th when the RJ was made and was not available to be traded. Since he exercised his option he can now be traded all the way up to the league trade deadline in February.
that's a ed up gif..lol Fabbs. Mel seems to be in the driver's seat...
He's pretty much used up his brainpower for the day thinking up his newest names for Popovich, Finley, and everybody else who disagrees with him.
Expect an answer tomorrow instead.
I don't believe the Spurs went out and spent the money on Jefferson just to continue giving Finley major minutes.
Absolutely. There's no way Finley takes minutes from Jefferson. He could, however, take them from Mason. If Mason regresses and Pop want to keep Manu on the bench, Finley could become the starting SG.
Reluctant indeed.......
Ultimately, the issue with Finley is an issue with Pop. It's not Finley's fault that his skills have deteriorated - that's inevitable with all players. Pop loves old veterans and seems to think they improve with age (like wine, perhaps?)
I can see how Finley's work ethic and professionalism are admirable, but it's not like we're the Jailblazers. It's not like the team is full of drug addicts and lazy prima donnas. The team, on the whole, is extremely professional so I'm curious how Finley's approach to the game is somehow leaps and bounds beyond his teammates.
Anyway - props to Finley for coming into camp in incredible shape. What's not to like about that. However, I'm tired of hearing how Pop treats all the players the same when he never scolds Finley for blowing defensive assignments, and is now doing his weird approach with Hill. This hot/cold treatment is not consistent with "treating everyone the same".
(A side question: was small ball an invention to get more minutes to Finley? I'm at least half-way serious. I realize the league was heading that way, but it's kind of dumb to play small players when they aren't very quick - that's kind of the worst of both worlds.)
Does this mean I'm throwing Pop under the bus like Fabbs? - absolutely not. However, Pop's special treatment of Finley, or at least what Finley "represents" to him, is symptomatic of Pop's distrust of youth and embrace of age. We did a youth movement THIS year. What about after 2007 when it was obvious that we got lucky to get to the Finals with that team? Even more lucky to limp to the WCF the next year, which speaks volumes to our 3 man team. Just imagine if the FO had made getting better a younger a priority a few years back?
Luckily, there is so much talent on this team this year that this Finley conversation can hopefully be a thing of the past.
Here's how I remember it. Perhaps someone could help fill in the blanks.
The first time Manu was moved out of the starting lineup there was an outcry from some of the Argentine fans that Manu was being disrespected, but in fact it was either for the playoffs or for matchup reasons. I'm sure a search of the forums will find that information.
Manu's stint on the bench was very successful, but everyone accepted it as temporary, and Manu assumed his starting duties later on. Later on, with Barry and Manu and Finley all playing, there were fluctuations in the starting lineups for a while which prevented anyone from considering any one player a "starter". I think Manu was in the running for sixth man at an earlier time but wasn't the first guy off the bench consistently enough to earn the award.
I know it was discussed here at length when Finley put up fewer stinkers when starting that Pop's rationale for going ahead and making Manu the sixth man was motivated by Fin's production. Pop has always said that Manu's going to the bench was for "the good of the team" and we all know damn good and well it wasn't to improve Manu's production.
Actually it confirms much of what I said above. Thanks!
EDIT: And by the way, if you go back and find those posts, it's not outside the realm of possibility that the opinion about Finley was arrived at through a discussion of many people. Sports isn't all that difficult; not many of the opinions are original.
Last edited by Obstructed_View; 10-19-2009 at 05:52 PM.
Here are the facts with no commentary:
In 2005-06 Manu played in 65 games and started 56. The games he did not start were directly following his return from injuries. All 18 games that Finley started were in games that Manu missed or in the games directly after he returned from injury.
In 2006-07 Manu started 36 of the first 45 games. Finley started the other nine games which coincided with a Manu injury. The first time Manu was taken out of the starting line-up when he was healthy was the 46th game of the season on Jan 28, 2007. He was replaced in the starting line-up by Brent Barry, who would start the next 28 games until Barry went down with back spasms on April 1, 2007. Finley finished out the season as the starter. For the year Manu started 36 games, Barry 28, and Finley 16.
At no point in Finley's first two years was Manu sent to the bench to accomodate Finley.
05-06 starting line-ups:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...006_start.html
06-07 starting line-ups:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...007_start.html
Last edited by Mel_13; 10-19-2009 at 06:52 PM.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/M...4_html799.htmlActually it confirms much of what I said above. Thanks!
EDIT: And by the way, if you go back and find those posts, it's not outside the realm of possibility that the opinion about Finley was arrived at through a discussion of many people. Sports isn't all that difficult; not many of the opinions are original.
"It's probably a more potent attack night after night after night," Popovich said of Ginobili coming off the bench. "I think it makes our bench longer."
No where it states that it was made because Finley performs better as a starter.
As I said earlier in the thread:
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