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  1. 10-14-2009 #151
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    Quote Originally Posted by Culburn369
    How do you splain Scola & Leon Smith & Barbosa?
    Barbosa is easy the nba says you can't trade first round picks two consecutive years, so the spurs got around it by drafting who phoenix wanted just to trade him away, happens all the time.
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  2. 10-14-2009 #152
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    Quote Originally Posted by Culburn369
    How do you splain Scola & Leon Smith & Barbosa?
    You see, when a man and a woman love each other...
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  3. 10-14-2009 #153
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xylus
    You see, when a man and a woman love each other...
    love ain't got to do with it, you see when a man sees a woman he wants to bone her.
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  4. 10-14-2009 #154
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trainwreck2100
    love ain't got to do with it, you see when a man sees a woman he wants to bone her.
    Speak for yourself, I only get love boners.
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  5. 10-14-2009 #155
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    I'm astonished at the number of basketball "fans" that are on this site that don't agree with Blair being the greatest rookie of all time. Is it just cause we haven't even played a regular season game yet or what?
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  6. 10-14-2009 #156
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trainwreck2100
    Barbosa is easy the nba says you can't trade first round picks two consecutive years, so the spurs got around it by drafting who phoenix wanted just to trade him away, happens all the time.
    Ipso facto, what'd you get for Barbosa. And while we're at it, what'd you get for Scola?
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  7. 10-14-2009 #157
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    Ipso facto, If no sex, cubby won't be in love.
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  8. 10-14-2009 #158
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    Quote Originally Posted by Culburn369
    Ipso facto, what'd you get for Barbosa. And while we're at it, what'd you get for Scola?
    Picks that ended up being Dejuan Blair.
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  9. 10-14-2009 #159
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    Quote Originally Posted by Culburn369
    How do you splain Scola & Leon Smith & Barbosa?
    Barbosa?! haha Smith who?
    Scola was complicated, but Blair makes that all better now
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  10. 10-14-2009 #160
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    Quote Originally Posted by all_heart
    Barbosa?! haha Smith who?
    Scola was complicated, but Blair makes that all better now
    So, you all are telling me that you turned Scola into a pick that turned out to be Blair?

    + why did you give Barbosa to the Suns? What did you get in return?
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  11. 10-14-2009 #161
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    Quote Originally Posted by mystargtr34
    Da_suns_fan... do you realise it isnt a fair comparison when you contrast one guy who was by the far the best player on a mediocre team, to a guy who was the 5th option on the best team in the league? Do you think a PER statistic might be slightly skewed for a guy as the number 1 option on a bad team, when his abilities are more suited to being a second, maybe third option at best? Also, do you not think a player becomes less efficient as their role expands, especially on a bad team like Milwaukee.

    This question you can actually answer...
    For one, Jefferson wasnt the best player on the bucks. That woud be Michael Redd. Secondly, you could just as easily argue that his stats should be inflated considering he gets to do whatever he wants and gets to play tons of minutes. As for not being efficient Im not going to believe for ONE SECOND that Jefferson rebounded poorly because Redd and Bogut were injured. Likewise for his very low assists and steals numbers.

    Quote Originally Posted by mystargtr34
    Do you think Trevor Ariza would still have a higher PER than Richard Jefferson if they switched places. Say, Ariza spent last season as the number one option for the Bucks, i mean taking 20 FGA and having 75% of the plays run through him as a scorer/creator, with Bogut and Redd missing the majority of the season as they did. And Jefferson was the 5th option on the Lakers behind Kobe, Pau, Lamar and Bynum, taking 10-12 shots per game and living off double teams attracted by those four guys?
    Im interested in your view.

    Ariza will have a higher PER than Jefferson this year. Its not about "options". This isnt football. There is no quarterback making reads. Ariza has a higher PER not because of scoring but because he excels in several areas such as rebounds and steal and Jefferson doesnt.
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  12. 10-14-2009 #162
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    Quote Originally Posted by da_suns_fan
    For one, Jefferson wasnt the best player on the bucks. That woud be Michael Redd. Secondly, you could just as easily argue that his stats should be inflated considering he gets to do whatever he wants and gets to play tons of minutes. As for not being efficient Im not going to believe for ONE SECOND that Jefferson rebounded poorly because Redd and Bogut were injured. Likewise for his very low assists and steals numbers.




    Ariza will have a higher PER than Jefferson this year. Its not about "options". This isnt football. There is no quarterback making reads. Ariza has a higher PER not because of scoring but because he excels in several areas such as rebounds and steal and Jefferson doesnt.
    This shows how much you watched Jefferson last year. How many games did Michael Redd play? How many games did Andrew Bogut play? You dont think penetrating and dishing to Dan Gadzuric instead of Andrew Bogut makes a difference? Or kicking to Desmond Mason instead of Michael Redd makes a difference in assist numbers?

    We are not just talking about Jefferson and Ariza here. When a guy is asked to shoulder a large burden of a teams offense, other areas of his game, such as defense, rebounding and efficienctyy are bound to take a hit - especially when that guy is more accustomed to being a 2nd or 3rd option. It works the opposite way to.

    Thats just the way it is.
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  13. 10-15-2009 #163
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    Dejuan Blair is not the greatest rookie of all-time. Tim Duncan was. David Robinson was second. Blair is like 3rd.
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  14. 10-15-2009 #164
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    Quote Originally Posted by da_suns_fan
    For one, Jefferson wasnt the best player on the bucks. That woud be Michael Redd. Secondly, you could just as easily argue that his stats should be inflated considering he gets to do whatever he wants and gets to play tons of minutes. As for not being efficient Im not going to believe for ONE SECOND that Jefferson rebounded poorly because Redd and Bogut were injured. Likewise for his very low assists and steals numbers.




    Ariza will have a higher PER than Jefferson this year. Its not about "options". This isnt football. There is no quarterback making reads. Ariza has a higher PER not because of scoring but because he excels in several areas such as rebounds and steal and Jefferson doesnt.
    You didnt answer the question.
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  15. 10-15-2009 #165
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    Quote Originally Posted by lakaluva
    Except for tonight. Blake wiped his ass with the Grizzly Blair.
    Griffin > Blair was always the case. Spurs fans will just have to be content with having the second best player in the draft.
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  16. 10-20-2009 #166
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    "Everything about the '07 and '08 (and the '04, '05 and '06) drafts makes me want to punch myself in the brain. The fact that the pick we gave away in the Dragic trade turned out to be DaJuan Blair is salt in the wounds."

    Can somebody give me the particulars on the last the sentence of the above post, please? I'd appreciate it.

    I got the information over on phxsuns.net this morning.
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  17. 10-20-2009 #167
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    Quote Originally Posted by Culburn369
    "Everything about the '07 and '08 (and the '04, '05 and '06) drafts makes me want to punch myself in the brain. The fact that the pick we gave away in the Dragic trade turned out to be DaJuan Blair is salt in the wounds."

    Can somebody give me the particulars on the last the sentence of the above post, please? I'd appreciate it.

    I got the information over on phxsuns.net this morning.
    read this entire thread and it will make sense.... no one will do that for you...
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  18. 10-20-2009 #168
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    Quote Originally Posted by urunobili
    read this entire thread and it will make sense.... no one will do that for you...
    Wtf can't you just give me the particulars like I asked? I'd do it for you in an instant if the tables were turned.
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  19. 10-20-2009 #169
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    Quote Originally Posted by Culburn369
    Wtf can't you just give me the particulars like I asked? I'd do it for you in an instant if the tables were turned.
    why do you think people will just do stuff for you a Laker fan on a Spurs board?
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  20. 10-20-2009 #170
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    Quote Originally Posted by urunobili
    why do you think people will just do stuff for you a Laker fan on a Spurs board?
    It's the NBA Forum.

    Just forget I asked.
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  21. 10-20-2009 #171
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    Quote Originally Posted by Culburn369
    It's the NBA Forum.

    Just forget I asked.
    the NBA forum on a Spurs board...
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  22. 10-20-2009 #172
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    Quote Originally Posted by urunobili
    the NBA forum
    Word.
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  23. 10-20-2009 #173
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    Quote Originally Posted by Culburn369
    Word.
    i wonder why you keep posting on SpursTalk and not in your own Laker world forums...
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  24. 10-20-2009 #174
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    Quote Originally Posted by urunobili
    i wonder why you keep posting on SpursTalk and not in your own Laker world forums...
    Because Kobe went sans Daddy and the waters here are fresh for trolling and are immune from my flaming.

    tee, hee.
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  25. 10-20-2009 #175
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    Quote Originally Posted by Culburn369
    Because Kobe went sans Daddy and the waters here are fresh for trolling and are immune from my flaming.

    tee, hee.
    lol Laker fan without an argument...
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