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    I think it is really stupid for the Obama admin to get into this fight.


    Thoughts?

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    Jake Tapper questions Gibbs.

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu...-10202009.html

    Tapper: It’s escaped none of our notice that the White House has decided in the last few weeks to declare one of our sister organizations “not a news organization” and to tell the rest of us not to treat them like a news organization. Can you explain why it’s appropriate for the White House to decide that a news organization is not one –

    (Crosstalk)

    Gibbs: Jake, we render, we render an opinion based on some of their coverage and the fairness that, the fairness of that coverage.

    Tapper: But that’s a pretty sweeping declaration that they are “not a news organization.” How are they any different from, say –

    Gibbs: ABC -

    Tapper: ABC. MSNBC. Univision. I mean how are they any different?

    Gibbs: You and I should watch sometime around 9 o’clock tonight. Or 5 o’clock this afternoon.

    Tapper: I’m not talking about their opinion programming or issues you have with certain reports. I’m talking about saying thousands of individuals who work for a media organization, do not work for a “news organization” -- why is that appropriate for the White House to say?

    Gibbs: That’s our opinion. -- (translation: Fox doesn't suck us off like the rest of the networks.)

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    Even if Obama went on FOX NEWS and let journalists rip him a new one after all the chocies he's made or not made, Fox would just find something else to take shots at the guy its today's politics its sucks i know... Doesnt matter which side of the fence your on, the mainstream media needs something to talk about... Todays news is not reporting the news (by news i amean facts) anymore is now a form of entertainment which news was never intended to be.... Its about rating in todays world and not reporting the facts..

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    Why do you want to take away the President's freedom to choose what news agencies he talks to?

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    Even if Obama went on FOX NEWS and let journalists rip him a new one after all the chocies he's made or not made, Fox would just find something else to take shots at the guy its today's politics its sucks i know... Doesnt matter which side of the fence your on, the mainstream media needs something to talk about... Todays news is not reporting the news (by news i amean facts) anymore is now a form of entertainment which news was never intended to be.... Its about rating in todays world and not reporting the facts..

    I think this has more to do with Glen Beck & Hannity and less with Shepard Smith or Bret Baier.

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    I think Fox hopes Obama keeps it up - their ratings are up 20% since the Obama administration targeted them.

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    I think he's trying to cement Fox's marginalization with independent voters. Personally, I believe it's beneath the presidential office to remark on a news organization's journalistic integrity or lack thereof, but they must think there's something to be reaped from it.

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    Bush took the media's crap the entire time. He was question on everything and about everything. Obama only has one to really prepare answers for.

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    In case people are wondering, this is the correct way for the press to interact with the POTUS


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    Didn't GWB basically freeze out MSNBC? Is this really so unusual?

    As to whether this is good strategy or not time will tell. People don't think of the media as being an impartial gatekeepers anymore.

    If the media picks sides -- i.e., is biased, as left and right both claim -- why should the government decline to hail it's declared enemies, as it closes the door of official access?

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    by the way......helen thomas is alive and well.

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    I think he's trying to cement Fox's marginalization with independent voters. Personally, I believe it's beneath the presidential office to remark on a news organization's journalistic integrity or lack thereof, but they must think there's something to be reaped from it.
    Obama is a liar. He said he would bring the people together instead he is sending them further apart.

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    Didn't GWB basically freeze out MSNBC? Is this really so unusual?
    It's not unusual for an administration to freeze out a news organization. What is unusual is for is for an administration to pick a public fight with one. Obama will lose the fight.


    Gibbs: You and I should watch sometime around 9 o’clock tonight. Or 5 o’clock this afternoon.
    Tapper should have responded by asking which msnbc primetime show he wanted to compare to fox.

    Countdown With Keith Olbermann
    Hardball with Chris Matthews
    The Ed Show
    The Rachel Maddow Show

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    I don't think it's much of a fight.

    WH said Fox isn't a news org, but an (unfair and unbalanced) Repug house organ.

    No fighting, just calling out biased hate media for what it is. It's great to get such obvious, undeniable truth coming from the WH.

    Now Fox can try to refute, they'll fail, except in their own fantasy world.
    Last edited by boutons_deux; 10-20-2009 at 04:04 PM.

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    I love how quickly political animosity becomes oracular and clairvoyant.

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    by the way......helen thomas is alive and well.

    Yes, she is.


    http://rawstory.com/2009/10/pr-exper...attacking-fox/


    Helen Thomas warns Obama on Fox: ‘You can’t kill the messenger’

    By David Edwards and Daniel Tencer
    Monday, October 19th, 2009 -- 9:05 am


    Helen Thomas, the longest-serving White House correspondent in the Washington press corps, has a few choice words for President Barack Obama in his battle against Fox News: "Stay out of these fights."

    Speaking on MSNBC's Morning Joe, the Hearst Newspapers columnist, who as White House correspondent has covered every president since John F. Kennedy, told Obama: "They can only take you down. You can't kill the messenger."

    Thomas was speaking after yet another round of Sunday talk shows in which senior White House staffers blasted Fox News for its coverage of their administration. That follows a month of what amounts to a White House boycott of Fox News, ever since the Fox network failed to run the president's address on health care to a joint session of Congress in September.

    Host Joe Scarborough played clips of senior presidential adviser David Axelrod declaring that Fox "is not really news," while White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel told the media Fox News is "not a news organization so much as it has a perspective."

    Donny Deutsch, a former advertising executive and MSNBC host, told Scarborough that the White House shouldn't even mention Fox by name. Not mentioning your opponent's name is "marketing 101," he said.

    "They are elevating Fox," Deutsch said. "Think about this. It's the president of the United States, the commander of the free world, versus a television network with a couple million viewers."

    Scarborough, himself a former US House representative, pointed out that Fox's ratings have been "through the roof" since the White House began attacking it by name. "What did the Bush White House do when they were compared to Nazis and fascists? The Bush White House did nothing, they didn't elevate it."

    But Morning Joe co-host Mika Brzezinski disagreed with that line of argument, saying the White House's portrayal of Fox News as the official voice of the opposition "may be strategically smart."

    "I think that perhaps it might be easier for them and strategically better down the road if the White House takes on these illegitimate Republican props, as opposed to someone who has real ideas who can take on White House policies," she said.

    For his part, Scarborough said he believed the White House spat with Fox was simply the administration playing to its base.

    "They attack Rush Limbaugh, they attack Glenn Beck, they attack all of these other people because they know their hard core base is going to love it, their hard core base is going to salivate. And they know they're not going to give them what they want when it comes to policy. They're not going to be able to shut down Gitmo the way they promised, they're not going to be able to get out of Iraq the way they promised. So what they're doing is playing to their hard core base."

    Both Scarborough and Deutsch pointed out that, in fact, the Bush White House also had a policy of avoiding unfriendly media outlets -- such as MSNBC.

    And "John McCain's campaign did the same thing," Scarborough said. "They went to the network chiefs and said, 'We're not coming'."

    And in a very telling aside, Deutsch noted: "I don't think the American public understands the behind-the-scenes that goes on between Washington and the media. If they did, I think that's the way to kill their credibility."

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    i hunt fenced animals clambake's Avatar
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    thats the point.

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    I love how quickly political animosity becomes oracular and clairvoyant.
    No animosity just a statement of fact. The american people hold the administration accountable for what happens in their lives. They don't hold talking heads or news organizations accountable. That's the flaw in the administrations tactic. They believe Beck/Hannity/Oreilly are influencing the presidents approval ratings when in fact they have no influence at all. If they did then Bush would be our most popular president and McCain would be president.

    If you want to argue why it is a good tactic on the part of the administration then feel free WH.

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    It's a stupid fight to pick.

    A large chunk of Fox's viewers are just people looking for entertainment. They know not to take anything doing with commentators seriously. The people who do take them seriously are idiots anyway... so what's the point?



    Tapper should have responded by asking which msnbc primetime show he wanted to compare to fox.

    The Ed Show
    He should have went with that one. I've only seen it a couple of times, but holy is that guy a hack. His first words after coming back from a break were "I gotta tell you people, I am loving this president right now!".

    oi vey.

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    If you want to argue why it is a good tactic on the part of the administration then feel free WH.
    I doubt it is, but I wouldn't bet on it either.

    I can't foresee what will happen. Bully on you if you think you can.

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    eh, americans understand that fox survives by scaring the weak to their side.

    you can smell the fear in here.

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    It's impossible to be objective anyways. As soon as you take a stance that you feel is objective, you'll have whichever side that's oppossed to your position calling you a liberal/conservative.

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    Rick Santelli
    Jim Cramer
    Rush Limbaugh
    The Crowley/Gates Affair
    The New Yorker


    Time to add all of Fox News to the list.

    * To be fair, the New Yorker thing happened during the campaign, but it was beneath him even then as a Senator and presidential candidate.

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    Why do you want to take away the President's freedom to choose what news agencies he talks to?
    Because he is President. And he doesn't have that choice. He
    is suppose to be President of all the people. Not just those he
    chooses to be Present of. If he cant answer all the questions then
    get the out of Dodge.

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    * To be fair, the New Yorker thing happened during the campaign, but it was beneath him even then as a Senator and presidential candidate.
    I forget, what did the New Yorker do?

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