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    Ok. Thanks.

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    Overall, the rate in State prisons (3.75 per 1,000) was higher than the rate in local jails (2.05 per 1,000) (table 1). About 36% of the reported allegations of sexual violence in 2006 involved staff sexual misconduct...

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    Since the Prison Rape Elimination Act was passed in 2003, the estimated number of allegations nationwide has risen by 21% (5,386 in 2004; 6,241 in 2005)

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    The most common outcome of investigations was a determination that the evidence was insufficient to show whether the alleged incident occurred. In 2006 more than half of all allegations (55%) were unsubstantiated; more than a quarter (29%) were unfounded (determined not to have occurred). About a sixth of all allegations (17%) were substantiated.

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    According to the study conducted by the United States Department of Justice for the year 2006, there were 2,205 allegations of inmate-on-inmate nonconsensual sexual acts reported, total, in the U.S. prison system. 262 of the allegations were substantiated.[4]

    that's what I based it off of, from wikipedia's page I mean

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    Overall, 967 incidents of sexual violence were substantiated in 2006, compared to 885 in 2005 (table 3). Relative to the number of inmates, the rate of substantiated incidents of sexual violence in 2006 was 4.3 per 10,000 inmates, nearly unchanged from the 4.0 per 10,000 inmates recorded in 2005. Rates were lowest in Federal prisons and privately operated prisons (fewer than 1 in 10,000). Rates of substantiated incidents in State prisons, local jail jurisdictions, and privately operated jails were 4 to 5 times higher. Substantiated incidents were too few to provide reliable estimates for other types of facilities.

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    Great. One isolated incident that may never happen again, or a handful of times max, outweighs important, similar domestic problems that need addressing. I fail to see your logic.
    I never said it was logical. Just how the world works.

    The world shouldn't work that way. Everything we base ourselves as American on is not supposed to work that way.
    And yet, it does. I would guess that near half of the pieces of legislation related to social/civil improvement involve a personal case, or are championed by a select few.

    Americans just aren't swayed by statistics as much as they are by a 'story'.

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    Is that how it should be?

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    that's what I based it off of, from wikipedia's page I mean
    Hmm. The report itself seems to give a fuller account than the footnote on the wiki.

    BTW, I still haven't found the part where it mocks or dismisses the problem.

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    Female staff more frequently implicated in sexual
    misconduct in prisons; male staff in local jails
    In the 2006 survey, characteristics of victims and perpetrators
    of staff sexual misconduct and harassment differed by
    type of facility:

    • In State and Federal prisons, 65% of inmate victims of
    staff sexual misconduct and harassment were male,
    while 58% of staff perpetrators were female (tables 9
    and 10).

    • In local jails, 80% of victims were female, while 79% of
    perpetrators were male.

    • 49% of staff perpetrators in prisons were age 40 or older,
    while 65% of victims were under age 35.

    • 56% of staff perpetrators in jails were age 40 or older,
    while 86% of victims were under age 35.

    • Among staff perpetrators in prisons and jails, 71% were
    white; 20%, black; and 7%, Hispanic. Among inmate victims,
    66% were white; 23%, black; and 8%, Hispanic.

    • A correctional officer was identified as the perpetrator in
    54% of incidents in prisons, and in 98% of incidents in
    jails (table 11).

    • A contract employee was involved in 17% of the incidents
    in prisons and in 2% of those in jails.

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    Three-quarters of staff perpetrators in 2006 lost their jobs; 56% were arrested or referred for prosecution. Correctional authorities indicated that staff had been discharged or resigned in 77% of substantiated incidents in 2006, compared to 82% in 2005 (table 12). Staff had also been arrested or referred for prosecution in 56% of incidents (compared to 45% of incidents in 2005). Approximately 10% of staff perpetrators in 2006 were disciplined,transferred or demoted, compared to 17% in 2005.

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    Is that how it should be?
    Probably not. That's just how it is though.

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    In most incidents of staff sexual misconduct or harassment (76%), victims received no medical followup, counseling or mental health treatment. Victims were given a medical examination in 6% of the incidents in prisons and jails. They were provided counseling or mental health treatment in 12% of the incidents.

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    BTW, I still haven't found the part where it mocks or dismisses the problem.
    Why would they?

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    And the worst injustice of all - due to a supreme lack of operating staff and therefore, corroborative evidence, the DoJ essentially denies there is a problem

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    the DoJ hides prison rape from the world and denies those victims medical and psychological support every day
    Their own report concedes the latter, and sheds light on the former.

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    I don't see my fallacy. They choose to accept pitifully low numbers from administration and not more aggressively pursue justice for inmates. Additionally, only a veritable handful of cases are even considered "substantiated." That's the ultimate injustice I speak of - their numbers are pitifully low, while inmates report many times that amount. They're ignoring the problem, researching it excepted. What new guidelines should even be instilled if there essentially isn't a problem - if so few inmates are truly at risk of being abused?
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    Their own report concedes the latter, and sheds light on the former.
    I don't agree that it "concedes" anything. They may point out that many more inmates report sexual abuse than officially reported, but that doesn't equate to a concession.

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    considering the DoJ's report in 2006 that basically states "prison rape doesn't happen much."
    This characterization strikes me as unfair. An official report that concedes over 5,000 allegations of prison rape in one calendar year is not hiding the ball.
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    This characterization strikes me as unfair. An official report that concedes over 5,000 substantiated cases of prison rape in one calendar year is not hiding the ball.
    But many times that amount of inmates reported abuse. Who's lying, the ex-inmate with nothing to gain except embarrassment, or the DoJ with lots to lose? Everyone knows prisons are underfunded, understaffed and overpopulated. Getting more funds is a far outlying possibility as I mentioned previously. The last thing administration wants is to overwork their already stretched and underpaid staff further, or in that same vein, garner sanctions against itself due to an inability to deal with their huge sexual abuse problem.

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    I don't agree that it "concedes" anything. They may point out that many more inmates report sexual abuse than officially reported, but that doesn't equate to a concession.
    I was referring to this:

    In most incidents of staff sexual misconduct or harassment (76%), victims received no medical followup, counseling or mental health treatment.

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    But many times that amount of inmates reported abuse. Who's lying, the ex-inmate with nothing to gain except embarrassment, or the DoJ with lots to lose? Everyone knows prisons are underfunded, understaffed and overpopulated. Getting more funds is a far outlying possibility as I mentioned previously. The last thing administration wants is to overwork their already stretched and underpaid staff further.
    Still somewhat easily fixable, in your view?

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    Still somewhat easily fixable, in your view?
    I noted that it SHOULD be easily fixable. How many billions (i say it sarcastically) could it possibly take to hire more personnel, better train said personnel (i will admit they seem to be focusing primarily on that with the PREA, which is good but sitll not nearly enough), as well as establishing better camera systems including one in each cell, which would no doubt lead to much less 'in house' crime overall. The problem is our legislative system and the skewed view the DoJ's reporting gives. It doesn't really make drastic change seem necessary, but according to inmates, it's a huge problem. I can think of many reasons why they would want to conceal or downplay prison rape while I can think of just about no reasons an ex-inmate would want to overplay the issue.

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    I can think of many reasons why they would want to conceal or downplay prison rape while I can think of just about no reasons an ex-inmate would want to overplay the issue.
    Sure. But I think it's remarkable there's any official reporting at all.

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