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You'll have to give me a link to how many able bodied males he had out of 100.
He still never freed any slaves.
He only had only a few able-bodied males, he was in need of more slaves. But he resisted the temptation.
You'll have to give me a link to how many able bodied males he had out of 100.
He still never freed any slaves.
So he could have freed the slaves, who then would only have to have left the state in which they had been enslaved.
And still James Madison never freed even one slave.
About 1/6 were able bodied males. 2/3 were old, young, sick, or physically disabled. Of those, half were women.
1/6 of 100 is only about 17 for a giant plantation. Not enough. If he had bought more slaves, he might have turned a profit, but then of course, you'd be ing about that.
That might even be too high, as usually about 10% of a given population is fit for the army.
So he could have freed any number of slaves.
But he never freed even one slave.
He couldn't free the old slaves, because they were too old to work. The young slaves were too young to work. The disabled slaves could not work either.
So the only slaves who could survive oj their own in a cruel world, were exactly the sames slaves who could work the plantation.
But if he fred those slaves, the rest of the old and sick slaves would die of starvation. You don't want that to happen, do you?
How do you know they were all incapable of living free? Washington freed all his slaves upon his death -- I haven't read about any of them immediately dying.
How very paternalistic of you.
You are saying you would rather live as a slave than die free. I don't want to hear you whining about the government or freedom again.
And the reason he never freed "useful" slaves is because he thought he could make money off of them.
James Madison owned about 100 human beings and never freed any of them.
He was waiting for the Civil War to break out.
No, he was merely hoping to make some money off of the human being he owned.
Wrong, he was losing money. The plantation was a net loser. Madison kept it going, just so he could help the slaves. He protected them from the slave-hunters.
So he could have just sold the plantation, freed the slaves and given them some money to start there new lives as freed slaves in the north.
But he didn't.
Instead, he kept them enslaved in an attempt to make money off of them on the plantation. It's not their fault he sucked at it.
James Madison never freed any of the hundred human beings he owned.
You never freed any slaves either, so you should talk!
I never owned another human being -- literally anyway.You never freed any slaves either, so you should talk!
James Madison literally owned about 100 human beings, and never freed one.
You're getting owned in this forum!
Internets shouting isn't helping you.
James Madison never freed any of his slaves.
Here is what happens when you free your slaves:
Robert Carter III
Robert "Councillor" Carter III (February 1727/28 – March 10, 1804) was an American plantation owner, founding father and onetime British government official. After the death of his wife, Frances Ann Tasker Carter, in 1787, Carter embraced the Swedenborgian faith and freed almost 500 slaves from his Nomini Hall plantation and large home in Williamsburg, Virginia. By a "Deed of Gift" filed with the county in 1791, he began the process of manumitting slaves in his lifetime. His manumission is the largest known release of slaves in North American history prior to the American Civil War and the largest number ever manumitted by an individual in the US.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Carter_III
never heard of Robert Carter? That's because he freed his slaves. Hence, he was not around to write the Cons ution or Bill of Rights.
If Madison had freed his slaves, we would not have the liberty we now enjoy.
Most of the founding fathers did not own slaves.
Why are you so pro-slavery?
Being too pro-Madison led him to it. Pobrecito.
OK, Madison was never aorund at his plantation until 1817, when he retired from the presidency at age 66.
At that time, his mom was still living there, her childhood home, as was his wife Dolley. Madison was also busy founding the University of Virginia, the first secular university in the history of the United States. He worked with Thomas Jefferson on this difficult project, and was a member of the Board of Regents. Plus, he was adviser to President James Monroe until 1825. In 1826, Jefferson died, and the full task of Founding the University fell to Madison. he became the Rector.
In 1829, Madison's mother finally died at age 97. He might have freed his slaves then, but his wife Dolley did not want to. As Madison was now 78, he needed his much younger wife to help him, Dolley was only about 60 at that time.
But Madison was elected to the Virginia Cons utional Convention on 1829 & 1830, so he was gone trying to change the Cons ution to increase democracy and decrease slave power.
Also, in the middle of all this was the Nullification Crisis of 1828 to 1834. The Civil War almost started at this time, with South Carolina on the brink of war, as well as the North and Andrew Jackson. Madison was in the middle of this crisis and was the key player in keeping the Union together.
By the time this was over, in 1834, Madison was 83, and started to get close to death. He couldn't walk anymore. He made his will and his last advice to his country. Dolley, still alive and healthy at about age 65 was supposed to free the slaves, either with the money left to her, or in her will if she stayed at the plantation.
Advice to My Country
1834
"As this advice, if it ever see the light will not do it till I am no more,
it may be considered as issuing from the tomb, where truth alone can be
respected, and the happiness of man alone consulted. It will be en led
therefore to whatever weight can be derived from good intentions, and from
the experience of one who has served his country in various stations through
a period of forty years, who espoused in his youth and adhered through his
life to the cause of its liberty, and who has borne a part in most of the
great transactions which will cons ute epochs of its destiny.
The advice nearest to my heart and deepest in my convictions is that the
Union of the States be cherished and perpetuated. Let the open enemy to it
be regarded as a Pandora with her box opened; and the disguised one, as the
Serpent creeping with his deadly wiles into Paradise."
http://www.cons ution.org/jm/18340000_advice.htm
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LAST LETTER OF JAMES MADISON
written the less than 20 hours before his death:
To George Tucker
"June 27, 1836.
My dear Sir,
"I have received your letter of June 17th, with the paper enclosed in it.
A part from the value put on such a mark of respect from you in a dedication of your "Life of Mr. Jefferson" to me, I could only be governed in accepting it by my confidence in your capacity to do justice to a character so interesting to his country and to the world; and, I may be permitted to add, with whose principles of liberty and political career mine have been so extensively congenial.
It could not escape me that a feeling of personal friendship has mingled itself greatly with the credit you allow to my public services. I am, at the same time, justified by my consciousness in saying, that an ardent zeal was always felt to make up for deficiencies in them by a sincere and steadfast cooperation in promoting such a reconstruction of our political system as would provide for the permanent liberty and happiness of the United States; and that of the many good fruits it has produced which have well rewarded the efforts and anxieties that led to it, no one has been a more rejoicing witness than myself.
With cordial salutations on the near approach to the end of your undertaking, &c."
http://www.cons ution.org/jm/18360627_tucker.htm
James Madison died on June 28, 1836, the last and the greatest of the Founding Fathers. They wanted to keep him alive and pump him with drugs until July 4 so he could die on July 4 like John Adams did (in 1826), Jefferson did (in 1826), and James Monroe did (in 1831).
But Madison refused. This last act shows the character of the beloved and divine James Madison, a man who went out on his own terms, without fanfare.
LAST WORDS OF JAMES MADISON:
June 28, 1836
Quoted by Paul Jennings, his former slave:
"I was always with Mr. Madison till he died, and shaved him every other day for sixteen years. For six months before his death, he was unable to walk, and spent most of his time reclined on a couch; but his mind was bright, and with his numerous visitors he talked with as much animation and strength of voice as I ever heard him in his best days. I was present when he died. That morning Sukey brought him his breakfast, as usual. He could not swallow. His niece, Mrs. Willis, said, "What is the matter, Uncle Jeames?" "Nothing more than a change of mind, my dear.
His head instantly dropped, and he ceased breathing as quietly as the snuff of a candle goes out. He was about eighty-four years old, and was followed to the grave by an immense procession of white and colored people. The pall-bearers were Governor Barbour, Philip P. Barbour, Charles P. Howard, and Reuben Conway; the two last were neighboring farmers."
http://docsouth.unc.edu/neh/jennings/jennings.html
Frederick Douglass was a big fan of James Madison.
When Douglass studied the Cons ution, he relied on the Federalist Papers and Madison's Notes on the Federal Cons ution.
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Cons ution for the United States of America."
That's a load of .
Orange is only 90 miles away from Washington DC.
http://www.montpelier.org/explore/es...montpelier.phpPhase III (1809-1812)
Phase III Montpelier
Montpelier as it is believed to have appeared from 1809-1812. (Montpelier Foundation and PartSense Inc.)
Changes during the third construction period included interior renovations to include a large drawing room and the construction of one-story wings at each end of the house. Many of these changes were initiated due to Madison's new standing as the president of the United States and they reflect the need to accommodate the additional guests that his new status would bring.
John Quincy Adams on James Madison (1836)
"Is it not to preserve, to cherish, to improve the inheritance which they have left us—won by their toils —watered by their tears—saddened but fertilized by their blood?
Are we the sons of worthy sices, and in the onward march of time have they achieved in the career of human improvement so much, only that our posterity and theirs may blush for the contrast between their unexampled energies and our nerveless impotence?
Between their more than Herculean labors and our indolent repose?
No, my fellow citizens—far be from us; far be from you, for he who now addresses you has but a few short days before he shall be called to join the mul udes of ages past—far be from you the reproach or the su ion of such a degrading contrast.
You too have the solemn duty to perform, of improving the condition of your species, by improving your own.
Not in the great and strong wind of a revolution, which rent the mountains and brake in pieces the rocks before the Lord—for the Lord is not in the wind—not in the earthquake of a revolutionary war, marching to the onset between the battle field and the scaffold—for the Lord is not in the earthquake—Not in the fire of civil dissension—In war between the members and the head—In nullification of the laws of the Union by the forcible resistance of one refractory State—for the Lord is not in the fire ; and that fire was never kindled by your fathers!
No!
It is in the still small voice that succeeded the whirlwind, the earthquake and the fire.
The voice that stills the raging of the waves and the tumults of the people—that spoke the words of peace—of harmony—of union.
And for that voice, may you and your children's children "to the last syllable of recorded time," fix your eyes upon the memory, and listen with your ears to the life of James Madison!"
90 miles is a long way in those days. Bad roads. Mud. Lack of bridges, etc.
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