Wages of Wins: Once Upon a Time in Phoenix

[da_suns_fan]

you don't know how to post youtubes.

btw - Im at work and cant access youtube. I will embed that bad boy for you later. Just for Monos.

[da_suns_fan]

Actually I can do it right now. I cant see image but I can see the url. Just for Monos:




btw - I would give Monos a break if he was mistaken. He's not a Suns fan so he probably doesnt remember each year as well as I do.

But he's claiming that "07 Seconds or less" details how Amare was using his time after the microfracture surgery to develop a jump shot. He goes as far as to say it was "well do ented".

Let me be perfectly clear: THIS NEVER HAPPENS IN SEVEN SECONDS OR LESS. MONOS IS FULL OF .

Edit: Updated now that Im at home.

[monosylab1k]

Actually I can do it right now. I cant see image but I can see the url. Just for Monos:




btw - I would give Monos a break if he was mistaken. He's not a Suns fan so he probably doesnt remember each year as well as I do.

But he's claiming that "07 Seconds or less" details how Amare was using his time after the microfracture surgery to develop a jump shot. He goes as far as to say it was "well do ented".

Let me be perfectly clear: THIS NEVER HAPPENS IN SEVEN SECONDS OR LESS. MONOS IS FULL OF .

that's that Arizona State education hard at work!

[monosylab1k]

[monosylab1k]

[da_suns_fan]

Like I said, I was at work. Ive updated the original embed. Here it is as well.





Once again, the video shows Monos is full of .

[da_suns_fan]

btw - I remember he hit a fade-away to get 49 and 50 from memory.

Impressive, yes?

[da_suns_fan]

LOL mono is truly even without you showing the vid.

I dont know if he IS but he's certainly full of . Ive never witnessed someone so matter-of-factly make a reference to text when they have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

[da_suns_fan]

Heres Amare scoring 49 last year. You can see his jump shot is exactly the same as it was in 05, further proving Monos is full of .

LOL...look at 8:24.

[pauls931]

Did he just flush someone down the drain?

[monosylab1k]

Like I said, I was at work.

Of course you were.

[mojorizen7]

When was this? 1993?

Exactly.
Now, if we want to talk about who was the best regular season show pony squad in the West....then sure, D'Umbtoni's teams were right there at the top for a few years.

Man i hate even posting about this team anymore...

They scored 143 on SacTown tonight and i can already see 'em lining up for more high fives and GO SUNS! bull .

Nevermind that they allowed SacTown to score 127.
127!! Sacramento!
KINGS shot 50% FG
the SUNS got outrebounded by Spencer ing Hawes
SUNS gave up 20(twenty) offensive rebounds to Sac......
but the SUNS got their 140 and i bet it was fun to watch

my bad. em

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Amare is not DJ Strawberry. Not Eric Piatowski. Not Majec Lampe. Not Jackson Vroman. Not Pat Burke etc. These are all players JMJ claimed D'Antoni should have played more.

I think D'antoni should have actually used draft picks rather than told Sarver it was OK to sell them, and furthermore should have not told Sarver it was ok to trade KT AND two first rounders for nothing since he was so one dimensional he didn't know how to use a player like KT and didn't like first round picks.

Again, you didn't answer my question, how many draft picks have been sold since Antoni moved to NY?

[Xylus]

Exactly.
Now, if we want to talk about who was the best regular season show pony squad in the West....then sure, D'Umbtoni's teams were right there at the top for a few years.

Man i hate even posting about this team anymore...

They scored 143 on SacTown tonight and i can already see 'em lining up for more high fives and GO SUNS! bull .

Nevermind that they allowed SacTown to score 127.
127!! Sacramento!
KINGS shot 50% FG
the SUNS got outrebounded by Spencer ing Hawes
SUNS gave up 20(twenty) offensive rebounds to Sac......
but the SUNS got their 140 and i bet it was fun to watch

my bad. em

Then don't. Every post you've made lately has been whiny and pretentious. Take a break, pal.

[mojorizen7]

Then don't. Every post you've made lately has been whiny and pretentious. Take a break, pal.

Sorry X, it's just that this team has ripped every last shred of hope from my guts.....they have absolutely no clue what they're doing.
As for my ripping my team in my own hopeless,bitter style,you'd better get used to it....pal.

[da_suns_fan]

I think D'antoni should have actually used draft picks rather than told Sarver it was OK to sell them, and furthermore should have not told Sarver it was ok to trade KT AND two first rounders for nothing since he was so one dimensional he didn't know how to use a player like KT and didn't like first round picks.

Again, you didn't answer my question, how many draft picks have been sold since Antoni moved to NY?

You dont have the slightest clue what you are talking about. So D'Antoni TOLD Steve Kerr that it was "ok" to trade away KT and two picks, huh? You have first hand knowledge of this? , you have second hand knowledge of this? I dont think so.

Again, youre a ing idiot.

btw - The Suns havent traded any picks since D'Antoni left. It doesnt matter. It has nothing to do with D'Antoni or your STUPID ING BELIEF that he didnt like any player that was a first round pick simply for being a first round pick. Of course, if youre a SECOND ROUND PICK (Dijon Thompson, DJ Strawberry), then youre "OK" right? Just dont be a FIRST round pick! He hates those,

Ignorant, naive moron.

[da_suns_fan]

Of course you were.

I was.

Which jump shot did you like the best in that vid?

Where in "Seven seconds or less" is it WELL DO ENTED that Amare took the time to develop a jump shot?

Again, youre easy to own cuz you talk out your ass so much.

[monosylab1k]

Where in "Seven seconds or less" is it WELL DO ENTED that Amare took the time to develop a jump shot?

If you read it, you know where it is. Why don't you prove me wrong by posting all the text of SSOL that shows Amare didn't work on his jumper? I'll wait till after you're done cooking fries to prove me wrong.

[JMarkJohns]

Considering I hated the signing, I seriously doubt I ever said D'Antoni should play Piatkowski more minutes. There may have been an instance or two where his three-point shooting may have been nice, but I'm gonna need proof I said Pike should get major minutes. My biggest contentions for more playing time have always been Steven Hunter and Barbosa in 2004-05, James Jones in 05-06, James Jones, Kurt Thomas and Jalen Rose (who averaged 14 ppg and 5 rpg the year prior) in 06-07. I did want to see more of Strawberry, but never said he should be given major minutes.

And did you ever think that the fact 2nd-rounders are both cheap (league minimum) and that the contracts aren't entirely guaranteed factors in to the decision to keep 2nd-round draft picks? It's not like D'Antoni loved them so much that he ever played them... 1st-rounders minimum is twice that of the league minimum and is guaranteed for a minimum of two years (three years earlier in the time frame in question). The NBA has a mandatory minimum for players under contract, so, if you have to fill your roster with one or two players, why not with the cheapest, shortest-termed players possible?

It still doesn't change the fact that many 2nd-rounders develop nicely with coaching and playing time.

[da_suns_fan]

Considering I hated the signing, I seriously doubt I ever said D'Antoni should play Piatkowski more minutes. There may have been an instance or two where his three-point shooting may have been nice, but I'm gonna need proof I said Pike should get major minutes. My biggest contentions for more playing time have always been Steven Hunter and Barbosa in 2004-05, James Jones in 05-06, James Jones, Kurt Thomas and Jalen Rose (who averaged 14 ppg and 5 rpg the year prior) in 06-07. I did want to see more of Strawberry, but never said he should be given major minutes.

Then you are quite the exception if you think that D'Antoni didnt play his bench because of the short minutes of LB in 05, James Jones and Kurt Thomas. That really doesnt even make sense. And like I said, James Jones had careery highs in MPG and games started in Phoenix.

Jalen Rose was a joke when he made it to Phoenix. If you dont believe me, why did not a single team pick him up after his one year here?

And did you ever think that the fact 2nd-rounders are both cheap (league minimum) and that the contracts aren't entirely guaranteed factors in to the decision to keep 2nd-round draft picks? It's not like D'Antoni loved them so much that he ever played them... 1st-rounders minimum is twice that of the league minimum and is guaranteed for a minimum of two years (three years earlier in the time frame in question). The NBA has a mandatory minimum for players under contract, so, if you have to fill your roster with one or two players, why not with the cheapest, shortest-termed players possible?

It still doesn't change the fact that many 2nd-rounders develop nicely with coaching and playing time.

There is zero evidence to support that D'Antoni had anything against young players or first round draft picks. DOK is basing this on one quote D'Antoni made in 2006 after they announced they were trading away their picks. What anyone with a brain who around would know is that he was under tremendous pressure to stay under the luxury tax, re-sign Tim Thomas, find a backup point guard for Nash AND win a championship. He said "we're not here to develop players" meaning "we're trying to win a championship NOW, not build for the future". Besides, he had already proven that he could develop lots of young players such as Amare, JJ, LB, Diaw, James Jones etc. He didnt need to prove anything. The team needed veterans leadership and backup pg, not more young players. In hindsight, having Rondo or any of the picks they traded away would be nice right now. But to be honest, if they HAD won in 2007, it would have been worth it.

But they didnt and now we have to hear this STUPID revisionist history from idiot kids like DOK who dont have the slightest clue what theyre talking about.

[da_suns_fan]

If you read it, you know where it is. Why don't you prove me wrong by posting all the text of SSOL that shows Amare didn't work on his jumper? I'll wait till after you're done cooking fries to prove me wrong.

FAIL.

Dont forget you claimed it was "WELL DO ENTED", suggesting Amare developing a jump shot while recovering from micro fracture surgery was mentioned MULTIPLE times.

Im just asking for one reference Monos. Prove to everyone youre not completely full of .

[JMarkJohns]

What looking at a statistic of MPG and making a blanket statement doesn't take into account, is tendency/context of use. Barbosa and Hunter received very inconsistent minutes in 04-05, Jones received a ton early, then was seldom used once he returned from injury in 05-06, then was seldom used at all in 06-07, and when he was, again, it was for inconsistent minutes. Same with Kurt Thomas in 06-07. I think he played like 15 minutes a game. He was the team's only box-out rebounder. More importantly, KT was ill-used in the secondhalf of Game one vs. San Antonio. He did a great job on Duncan in the first half, then wasn't called upon in the second. When Thomas played big minutes in Game two, the Suns trounced the Spurs. In game three, he was inconsistently used, then in game for used more. Game five is the travesty of ill-use of James Jones, as like Thomas in game one, he was effective for his limited minutes in the first half, then seldom used in the second as the five Suns that did play lost their legs. Better usage of Jones early and late could have salvaged some strength in the starters for late in the game when San Antonio came storming back to win.

Look. MPG is a nice stat, but it doesn't tell the entire story. It's nice that Jones had career high in MPG... Well, he was a bench player in Indiana before he came to Phoenix, and was a starter initially to start the 05-06 season. But his limits in the second half of the year were limited/inconsistent. It's truth. It's not convenient to your position, but truth nonetheless...

[JMarkJohns]

Jones averaged six minutes fewer per game in the postseason than in the regular season of 05-06, despite the Suns frontcourt being thinner in the postseason than regular season.

Then in 06-07, averaged five minutes fewer per game in the postseason than in the regular season.

Care to explain that?

[da_suns_fan]

Jones averaged six minutes fewer per game in the postseason than in the regular season of 05-06, despite the Suns frontcourt being thinner in the postseason than regular season.

Then in 06-07, averaged five minutes fewer per game in the postseason than in the regular season.

Care to explain that?

Sure. Most coaches play a shorter bench during the playoffs because theres a greater need to win. This is why they play their best players as much as possible. Diaw, Tim Thomas, Marion and Raja were all filling in at the 3. As you said, the Suns were this up front, not on the wings. James Jones still got playing time though.

He still got to play in every game. Its not what youre making it out to be. D'Antoni gave him his career highs in both playing time and games started so it makes no sense to call him out when every other coach gave him an even smaller role.

Who else?

[da_suns_fan]

What looking at a statistic of MPG and making a blanket statement doesn't take into account, is tendency/context of use. Barbosa and Hunter received very inconsistent minutes in 04-05, Jones received a ton early, then was seldom used once he returned from injury in 05-06, then was seldom used at all in 06-07, and when he was, again, it was for inconsistent minutes. Same with Kurt Thomas in 06-07. I think he played like 15 minutes a game. He was the team's only box-out rebounder. More importantly, KT was ill-used in the secondhalf of Game one vs. San Antonio. He did a great job on Duncan in the first half, then wasn't called upon in the second. When Thomas played big minutes in Game two, the Suns trounced the Spurs. In game three, he was inconsistently used, then in game for used more. Game five is the travesty of ill-use of James Jones, as like Thomas in game one, he was effective for his limited minutes in the first half, then seldom used in the second as the five Suns that did play lost their legs. Better usage of Jones early and late could have salvaged some strength in the starters for late in the game when San Antonio came storming back to win.

Look. MPG is a nice stat, but it doesn't tell the entire story. It's nice that Jones had career high in MPG... Well, he was a bench player in Indiana before he came to Phoenix, and was a starter initially to start the 05-06 season. But his limits in the second half of the year were limited/inconsistent. It's truth. It's not convenient to your position, but truth nonetheless...

Youre using one series to try to support that D'Antoni didnt use his bench and you accuse me of making blanket statements?

And youre not even accusing of him of not playing KT, just not playing him enough. I couldnt possibly care any less. As you said, KT got heavy minutes at different times throughout the series. And calling it the mis-use of James Jones and Kurt Thomas "a travesty" shows how clueless you truly are.