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  1. 10-21-2009 #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by LnGrrrR
    Nope. Good and evil only exists when there is the ability to recognize what is good and what is evil; morality, conscience, whatever you call it.
    So you are saying something has to be seen and labeled for it to exist?
    I disagree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spursncowboys
    So you are saying something has to be seen and labeled for it to exist?
    I disagree.
    Huh? That's not what I'm saying at all.

    I'm saying that, as far as we know, only humans know how to make a distinction between what is 'good' and what is 'evil'. Animals aren't good or evil; they just do what they do. You can't call their actions evil or good because they don't have the mental capability to determine the difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LnGrrrR
    Doesn't sound lame to me. That's relatively logically consistent, at least, much more than the usual God.

    I don't have faith in anything, but I consider myself somewhat spiritual. I just don't assign my spirituality to any specific being/concept. If I did, it'd most likely take this sort of form.

    Check out "scientific pantheism" sometime Darrin.
    I don't get it; so do you believe in the supernatural, or not? If not, then what exactly is spiritualism?
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    Quote Originally Posted by baseline bum
    I don't get it; so do you believe in the supernatural, or not? If not, then what exactly is spiritualism?
    I don't believe in a true "spirit" or the supernatural; however, I often get a sense of wonder when contemplating life, the comsos, etc etc, that is often considered "spiritual" in a sense. I guess I just don't have a better word for it, to be honest.

    I am humbled, amazed, and uplifted by this world and the people in it at many times.
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    Shouldn't the question really be

    Do you have a belief in some form of modern day religion?

    "God" is too vague. Especially considering that 99.999% of all beliefs that are God related are directly tied to a religious belief structure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BacktoBasics
    Shouldn't the question really be

    Do you have a belief in some form of modern day religion?

    "God" is too vague. Especially considering that 99.999% of all beliefs that are God related are directly tied to a religious belief structure.
    That's what the "New Thread" button is for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baseline bum
    I don't get it; so do you believe in the supernatural, or not? If not, then what exactly is spiritualism?
    Supernatural is term we use to label things we don't yet understand.
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    what an innovative topic!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hope4dopes
    Supernatural is term we use to label things we don't yet understand.
    I'd say that's a poor definition. That quote would entail that everything labeled as supernatural is actually real, just not yet understood. Plainly though, everything supernatural isn't real.
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    there's just too much hypocrisy involved in organized religion and the perpetration of acts "in the name of god" for me to take any of it seriously....

    I don't believe in God. But i will never say God doesn't exist, i mean how could anybody know for sure?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonic21
    there's just too much hypocrisy involved in organized religion and the perpetration of acts "in the name of god" for me to take any of it seriously....

    I don't believe in God. But i will never say God doesn't exist, i mean how could anybody know for sure?

    Then you are really agnostic, not an athiest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarrinS
    Then you are really agnostic, not an athiest.
    Agnostic = Without knowledge
    Atheist = Without belief

    Sonic21 is an agnostic atheist, as am I.
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    Yes, I do.
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    well....bush got his direction from god.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LnGrrrR
    Huh? That's not what I'm saying at all.

    I'm saying that, as far as we know, only humans know how to make a distinction between what is 'good' and what is 'evil'. Animals aren't good or evil; they just do what they do. You can't call their actions evil or good because they don't have the mental capability to determine the difference.
    What if there is no such thing as Good and Evil and they are just human inventions to create more successful living conditions ?
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    why is this in the political forum ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rjv
    why is this in the political forum ?
    Political Forum (45 Viewing)
    Post about politics, news, government, religion and business.
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    As much as I dislike most organized religion, I would never let the stupidity of man affect my belief in God.

    Believing in the non-existence of God is no more rational than believing in the existence of God. Belief in God can always be reconciled with science. (I'm talking about the narrow issue of whether or not God exists; God's nonexistence cannot be proven.)

    I guess believing in a Supreme Being makes life seem more meaningful or ordered. It's comforting. I can admit that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doobs
    Believing in the non-existence of God is no more rational than believing in the existence of God.
    You haven't really thought this through

    Quote Originally Posted by doobs
    I guess believing in a Supreme Being makes life seem more meaningful or ordered. It's comforting. I can admit that.
    You are missing out on life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doobs
    Belief in God can always be reconciled with science. (I'm talking about the narrow issue of whether or not God exists; God's nonexistence cannot be proven.)
    You don't know much about science, or the scientific method, do you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiamiHeat
    What if there is no such thing as Good and Evil and they are just human inventions to create more successful living conditions ?
    If humans invented them, then they exist. Maybe you'd care to reword this question?
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    Quote Originally Posted by doobs
    Believing in the non-existence of God is no more rational than believing in the existence of God. Belief in God can always be reconciled with science. (I'm talking about the narrow issue of whether or not God exists; God's nonexistence cannot be proven.)
    Ah... so believing in my Flying Spaghetti Monster is as rational as not believing in him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElNono
    You don't know much about science, or the scientific method, do you?
    Go ahead, then, tell me how the existence of God can be disproven.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doobs
    Go ahead, then, tell me how the existence of God can be disproven.
    Just because God can't be disproven doesn't necessarily mean that it is equally rational to believe in him or not believe in him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doobs
    Go ahead, then, tell me how the existence of God can be disproven.
    Only after you explain your proposition that belief in God can be reconciled with science...
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