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    it's not anti-tax, it's pro-GOP
    It's pretty clearly anti-tax. Take the wax out of your ears, Dan.

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    It's pretty clearly anti-tax. Take the wax out of your ears, Dan.
    No its not. Its anti-Obama under the guise of anti-tax small government reform. Color me cynical that after year after year of these policies they didn't have a problem to the point they do now. Why was Obama the tipping point WH?

    What people say they stand for is one thing but what actually drives them to protest is another. It isn't as though the tea party movement has grown either.

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    Thats because a complete free market is an idealistic dream that will never happen. This article isn't about a recent problem, it goes back a long ass way including the glorified Reagan years.

    And are you arguing that with less regulation that somehow these companies would be less capable of pulling this off? You seem to think somehow that big government is to blame but that is not the case.

    An utter lack of public attention, education on the issue, or simple apathy coupled with the fact these corporations have the resources available to work the system far better than anyone else.
    Where, exactly, did I call for less regulation.

    I agree with the author of the article that the big corps ought to be broken up! You're trying to put me in a box I don't fit in, here.

    I still believe, however, that govt. is MORE to blame than the corps. It's govt. after all, that is taking money from me by coercion to pay those corps. The businesses, left to their own devices to not possess that kind of power.

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    "The businesses, left to their own devices to not possess that kind of power."

    Their power to suck dollars out of citizens' pockets for ty products is much more sinister.

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    "The businesses, left to their own devices to not possess that kind of power."

    Their power to suck dollars out of citizens' pockets for ty products is much more sinister.
    I dont' HAVE to buy the ty products; also, the corps in question are not in retail.

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    No its not. Its anti-Obama under the guise of anti-tax small government reform. Color me cynical that after year after year of these policies they didn't have a problem to the point they do now. Why was Obama the tipping point WH?
    There were rumblings beforehand. Ron Paul's strong netroots and the enthusistic public manifestations made on his behalf were a foreshadowing IMO.

    What people say they stand for is one thing but what actually drives them to protest is another.
    I don't see the two as necessarily being mutually exclusive.

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    "I dont' HAVE to buy the ty products"

    you don't buy groceries?

    you don't buy gasoline whose price has been inflated by Wall St speculators?

    you don't buy prescription drugs made by BigPharma that don't do better than generics or don't do anything at all?

    you don't have credit cards and bank accounts whose fees are jacked up for no increase in service?

    etc, etc, etc.

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    "I dont' HAVE to buy the ty products"

    you don't buy groceries?
    I'm very picky and selective; I don't shop at Wal Mart, and generally groceries are not produced in China.

    you don't buy gasoline whose price has been inflated by Wall St speculators?
    This has pissed me off forever, I am NOT opposed to govt. putting a stop to it - however, there is a thread on this, and WH has indicated how tricky regulating this stuff can be. Oh, and I live in a small town AND bought a scooter a couple of months ago; gets 85 mpg.

    you don't buy prescription drugs made by BigPharma that don't do better than generics or don't do anything at all?
    I am 41 years old. I have NEVER bought a non-generic drug for me or my family. Scout's honor.

    you don't have credit cards and bank accounts whose fees are jacked up for no increase in service?
    I, literally, have a no-fee, no minimum balance account as my primary checking at Pennsylvania State Employees Credit Union - I never pay credit card fees or interest; in fact I take advantage of the generous rewards programs (went to Disney for free a couple of years ago w/the family).

    etc, etc, etc.
    No, really, I'm a discriminating, smart shopper - and manager of my money. It amazes me how many people are not, and are the "sheeple" you refer to in my sig. Protecting my rights to BE smart and wise with my $$$ should be as important as protecting their idiot selves from getting taken advantage of - if not more so.

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    I still believe, however, that govt. is MORE to blame than the corps. It's govt. after all, that is taking money from me by coercion to pay those corps. The businesses, left to their own devices to not possess that kind of power.
    The government took your money and gave it to these mountebanks because our entire market system runs on credit -- if the lenders went under, most businesses would die, nobody could afford to buy a house, etc etc etc.

    If legislators and administrators on both sides of the aisle hadn't incrementally whittled away at financial regulations to satisfy their corporate sugar daddies, if they'd enforced anti-trust laws or created new ones, if they'd kept the SEC from wilting into little more than a bull agency? I don't think we'd be in this position, and if some banks had made bad bets, they'd be rewarded with what they deserve: obsolescence.

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    Where, exactly, did I call for less regulation.

    I agree with the author of the article that the big corps ought to be broken up! You're trying to put me in a box I don't fit in, here.

    I still believe, however, that govt. is MORE to blame than the corps. It's govt. after all, that is taking money from me by coercion to pay those corps. The businesses, left to their own devices to not possess that kind of power.

    You just defended the free market and the advocated the breaking up up large corporations which are not exactly statements which are inline with each other.

    Why or how you are choosing to blame the government more than the corps is lost on me - especially when you just advocated breaking up the corporations which is not an anti government action.

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    [quote=101A;3762302]I'm very picky and selective; I don't shop at Wal Mart, and generally groceries are not produced in China.
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    You said ty products not Chinese products.

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    This has pissed me off forever, I am NOT opposed to govt. putting a stop to it - however, there is a thread on this, and WH has indicated how tricky regulating this stuff can be. Oh, and I live in a small town AND bought a scooter a couple of months ago; gets 85 mpg.
    [quote]

    I don't have too much of a problem with the gasoline manipulation tbh. I have more of a problem with our governments use of military force to protect it in the Persian gulf and the cost to our country in that manner. I have a problem with the lack of support to other technologies prior to the last decade or so (not that its even enough now).

    I am 41 years old. I have NEVER bought a non-generic drug for me or my family. Scout's honor.
    Thats fine but drugs are not generic right off the bat so thats more of a statement of when you needed them. Also, certain drugs can be less effective when they are the generic version. They are not the same.

    I, literally, have a no-fee, no minimum balance account as my primary checking at Pennsylvania State Employees Credit Union - I never pay credit card fees or interest; in fact I take advantage of the generous rewards programs (went to Disney for free a couple of years ago w/the family).
    Credit Union or small local bank FTW. Great choice. This is an area where people are just re ed for the most part. I banked with BoA for about 2 months before I went back to a local bank. Its ing horrible.

    No, really, I'm a discriminating, smart shopper - and manager of my money. It amazes me how many people are not, and are the "sheeple" you refer to in my sig. Protecting my rights to BE smart and wise with my $$$ should be as important as protecting their idiot selves from getting taken advantage of - if not more so.
    People are not smart and rational. They are fairly re ed.

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    You said ty products not Chinese products.
    Somebody said groceries (you or Boutons; was directly responding to that.


    I don't have too much of a problem with the gasoline manipulation tbh. I have more of a problem with our governments use of military force to protect it in the Persian gulf and the cost to our country in that manner. I have a problem with the lack of support to other technologies prior to the last decade or so (not that its even enough now).


    Thats fine but drugs are not generic right off the bat so thats more of a statement of when you needed them. Also, certain drugs can be less effective when they are the generic version. They are not the same.
    Eventually I may get something in which there is a newer drug which works better than one that existed 3 - 5 years earlier; however MOST diseases can be handled with the drug that is just a few years old, but just as effectively, despite what the drug company's ads tell you every night. Of course, every Rx we've gotten has either been and antibiotic (those are free in many stores now) or Oxcodone a couple of times 'cause I have a tendency to get crap that hurts a of a lot (ulcer on my freaking cornea, kidney stone, etc...)



    Credit Union or small local bank FTW. Great choice. This is an area where people are just re ed for the most part. I banked with BoA for about 2 months before I went back to a local bank. Its ing horrible.
    Yeah.



    People are not smart and rational. They are fairly re ed.
    Why democracy cannot work.

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    You just defended the free market and the advocated the breaking up up large corporations which are not exactly statements which are inline with each other.

    Why or how you are choosing to blame the government more than the corps is lost on me - especially when you just advocated breaking up the corporations which is not an anti government action.

    If the businesses are "Too Big Too Fail" - that our government just can't help itself but bail these corps out; AND those corps then factor that in their business model???

    They are too big to exist.

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    If the businesses are "Too Big Too Fail" - that our government just can't help itself but bail these corps out; AND those corps then factor that in their business model???

    They are too big to exist.
    I don't dispute any of that. I just take issue with your embracing of that principle and the free market since both are at odds with each other. Someone supporting a free market system would say that the consumers would decide who was too big. I've started believe that notion is laughable.

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