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    Alleged Michigander ChumpDumper's Avatar
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    By definition, facts are always credible (see link I left for Manny). Therefore, no, I don't have a "problem" with the facts posted by Sullivan about previous presidents' poll numbers -- the same numbers I posted in the OP. I just didn't add a bunch of whiny "but, but, but ... he inhereted the worst economy and two failed wars -- -WAAAAAH!!!!".
    Your whiny opinion was voiced in the thread le.

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    That 9/11 boosted Bush's ratings is not an opinion. He give you Bush's ratings prior to 9/11. What the do you believe pushed them up?
    I believe 9/11 increased the numbers for Bush, but I can't PROVE it. Therefore, it is my opinion.

    The failed wars excert is an opinion but only on the wars and not on the entire context that Obama inherited them and they are an obstacle facing him which Bush did not have.
    I think the continued "overseas contingency operations" are hurting Obama's numbers a little bit, but I wouldn't call them failures. That is also my opinion.

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    e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0 MannyIsGod's Avatar
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    I believe 9/11 increased the numbers for Bush, but I can't PROVE it. Therefore, it is my opinion.
    Of course it can be proven. Are you an idiot? (question completely rhetorical I already know the answer)


    I think the continued "overseas contingency operations" are hurting Obama's numbers a little bit, but I wouldn't call them failures. That is also my opinion.
    is pretty much all I can muster to this.

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    These aren't the droids you're looking for jman3000's Avatar
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    and at the buzzword "dithering". Cheney uses it in a speech and Darrins latches on to make himself feel smart.

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    That 9/11 boosted Bush's ratings is not an opinion. He give you Bush's ratings prior to 9/11. What the do you believe pushed them up?

    The failed wars excert is an opinion but only on the wars and not on the entire context that Obama inherited them and they are an obstacle facing him which Bush did not have.

    I almost asked if you're really this dense but I already know the answer.
    ya it boosted his ratings.

    Dumbest lines we've fallen for as Americans, "If the glove doesn't fit, u must acquit" and "we fixin' to get those evil do-ers they have WMD"

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    and at the buzzword "dithering". Cheney uses it in a speech and Darrins latches on to make himself feel smart.
    holy ! how embarrassing!

    DitheringS from now on!!!!!

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    Of course it can be proven.

    Be my guest.

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    another poll?

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    Trig Palin born on April 18, 2008. Bristol's son born on December 28th, 2008.


    Seems pretty unlikely.
    I want to see the birth certificate!


    HA!

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    PRINCETON, NJ -- President George W. Bush's approval rating was at 51% in a Gallup Poll conducted Sept. 7-10 and completed just before the tragic events of Tuesday. This rating was down some from Bush's recent average, which had been in the mid-50% range. The poll also showed that overall satisfaction with the way things are going in the United States was down significantly and that most of Gallup's measures of the public's perception of the economy had reached new lows for recent years.
    There has been speculation about the impact of the terrorist attacks on the public's mood and perceptions of both Bush and the country as a whole. Typically, an event in which the United States or its armed forces come into danger or conflict translates into a short-term rally effect in which presidential approval ratings increase. Polling in the next several days will determine whether or not the phenomenon occurs in this situation. What the weekend poll does show, however, is that the American public's confidence in the economy, satisfaction with the way things were going, and overall satisfaction with Bush were slipping before the watershed events of Tuesday.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/4882/Bush...s-Attacks.aspx


    The next poll after the attack his approval rating was at 86%.


    Just prior to the attacks on Sept. 11, George W. Bush's popularity was waning, with an approval rating of just 51%, down from the 57% he received a month earlier. But three days after the attacks, 86% of Americans said they approved of the job Bush was doing as president, an increase of 35 percentage points and the largest "rally effect" ever recorded by Gallup. A week later Bush's overall approval reached 90%, eclipsing what had been the Gallup record of 89% -- achieved by the elder George Bush during the Persian Gulf War in 1991.



    This is known as a rally effect or rally around the flag effect and its been do ented before


    The “rally-round-the-flag effect” sparked by the September 11, 2001, attacks on New York and Washington and by President George W. Bush's prompt launching of the War on Terrorism cries out for the kind of timely analysis that political scientists sometimes can provide. A rally effect is the sudden and substantial increase in public approval of the president that occurs in response to certain kinds of dramatic international events involving the United States. The September 11 rally effect is distinctive for at least three reasons. First, of all the recorded rally effects, it is the largest. Bush's approval rating soared in the Gallup Poll from 51% on September 10 to 86% on September 15. 1 This 35-point increase nearly doubles the previous record, the 18-point boost triggered by his father's launch of Operation Desert Storm in January 1991. Second, the further increase in Bush's approval rating to 90% on September 22 represents the highest rating ever recorded for a president (Morin 2001). Third, the September 11 rally effect has lasted longer than any in the history of polling. As of November 10, 2002, Bush's approval rating was 68%—22 points below its peak but still much higher than his rating 13 months earlier.

    http://journals.cambridge.org/action...ine&aid=140021






    PRINCETON, NJ -- In the wake of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks last year, Americans rallied around their leaders and government, and expressed record levels of approval and trust. The rally effect for President George W. Bush was evidenced by a jump of almost 40 points in his approval rating. Reaching the 90% level, Bush's approval rating was the highest in Gallup's history. The rally effect for Congress was just over 40 points, peaking at an approval rating of 84%. Smaller rally effects were measured for other areas of government, and also included the public's general satisfaction with the way things were going in the country and the public's expressed levels of trust in government.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/6793/Rall...ally-Gone.aspx






    Sure Darrin, it can't be proven.

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    i hunt fenced animals clambake's Avatar
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    stop calling him darrin.

    his name is DitheringS.

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    e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0 MannyIsGod's Avatar
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    BTW Darrin, You get bonus points if you can indentify the cause of the 2nd rally effect on the graph I posted. Think really hard and - here's a hint - use the dates along the bottom for extra help.

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    These aren't the droids you're looking for jman3000's Avatar
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    mission accomplished?

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    Are approval ratings even meaningful at this stage of an administration? Last I checked, the elections aren't for another 3+ years.
    Not in my book. But if that's the same poll I heard of on the radio, they had to over sample democrats by a pretty high amount to get that last number.

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    Wow... He got more than Clinton? Simply amazing.

    Oh wait... They didn't over sample democrats for Clinton's numbers.

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    Wow... He got more than Clinton? Simply amazing.

    Oh wait... They didn't over sample democrats for Clinton's numbers.
    Same bull I heard all through out the polling for the election last fall. The same principle applies now that applied then: There are more democrats than there are republicans in this country (in fact the disparity is growing) and that's why they get sampled more.

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    e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0 MannyIsGod's Avatar
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    Furthermore its not simple amazing when you consider how Clinton got elected (and you were even talking about this in another thread this morning). What I find simply amazing is how you consistently miss the obvious yet had the gall to declare yourself in the 99.40850758175-37593871984719364374 to the 39483094830 power percentile of intelligence.

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    Are approval ratings even meaningful at this stage of an administration? Last I checked, the elections aren't for another 3+ years.
    The number isn't meaningful, just the trend.

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    Mic e Obama and Big Bird


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    3 years. That means, going by Obama's long political career, only a year until he has to start to run again.

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    Yeah the right think's he betrayed the nation, the left think's he betrayed the dream, and the board of the federal reserve just want to know where to send their contribution to his relection campaign.

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    Yeah the right think's he betrayed the nation, the left think's he betrayed the dream, and the board of the federal reserve just want to know where to send their contribution to his relection campaign.
    Fed's in the tank for Obama?

    Where'd you hear that, micca?

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    Odd you'd just take that for granted. I wouldn't, necessarily.

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    The Fed isn't controlled by politicians.

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    Have you considered that maybe the fealty runs in the other direction now?

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