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    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/22/bu...22defense.html

    Looks like the USAF is stuck with the few F-22's they have. I think this is a huge mistake.

    Thoughts?

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    Since we're only talking about seven planes, I think we'll be okay.

    With some of his political capital on the line, President Obama won a crucial victory on Tuesday when the Senate voted to strip out $1.75 billion in financing for seven more F-22 jet fighters from a military authorization bill.

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    Also, that article is 3 months old.

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/22/bu...22defense.html

    Looks like the USAF is stuck with the few F-22's they have. I think this is a huge mistake.

    Thoughts?
    No kidding. They still have to pay the contracted prices in place.

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    Ask the Nazis how well having small number of expensive, difficult to maintain, but technologically superior tanks worked out for them.
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    Ask the Nazis how well having small number of expensive, difficult to maintain, but technologically superior tanks worked out for them.
    I was unaware taht tanks were a comparable piece of machinery to fighter aircraft.

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    Ask the Nazis how well having small number of expensive, difficult to maintain, but technologically superior tanks worked out for them.
    well if they had not been economically tourniquitted around their s.....



    Listen. I just want to make sure my tax dollars are going to whatever weapon allows us to kill as many ragheads as possible. I want the most bang for my buck.

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    "Have to check the film" PixelPusher's Avatar
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    I was unaware taht tanks were a comparable piece of machinery to fighter aircraft.
    The principle arguments involved are the same, but if you insist...


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    "Have to check the film" PixelPusher's Avatar
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    FWIW, I'm not suggesting quan y always beats quality, (as I'm sure someone can post instances where small/hi-tech beats the crap out of large/lo-tech) but there does have to be a balance. 7 more F-22s will have no effect one way or the other in Iraq in Afghanistan right now, and are not going to be the difference in air superiority in the future.

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    The principle arguments involved are the same, but if you insist...

    The 262 is ing sweet. Man, did we luck out that they didn't get those planes even a year sooner.

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/22/bu...22defense.html

    Looks like the USAF is stuck with the few F-22's they have. I think this is a huge mistake.

    Thoughts?
    Did you know Iraq and the Taliban don't have Air Forces. Furthermore, we probably have more fighters than we already need. Most agree the F-22 is just a huge waste of money at this point even Robert Gates, who is the Sec. of Defense and a republican thinks so. I think we'll be safe without them.

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    So sure we may have quite a few Raptors already, but you would have to see the operational number of Raptors to see how big of a hit it will take. Roughly 55% of the Raptor fleet will be combat ready at any given time.

    This is just a guess based upon my experience working as a Weapons System Specialist on the F-117A Nighthawk during my service in the military. It is a maintenance field so I would hope that I have a lot of knowledge on what it takes to keep aircraft maintained for combat. It is hard work and very time consuming when you are working with advanced technology.

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    Pop took his brain back. xellos88330's Avatar
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    Also, another thing. The F-35 is a cheaper aircraft and is a of little fighter, but the F-22 is still a better air superiority fighter. For ground attack, the F-35 would be my choice, of course with F-22's providing air cover.

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    Advanced as they are, F-22s aren't immune to obsolescence.


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    The defense contractors and the military industrial establishment are freaking out that they do not have some of their lackey's in the White House to keep their party going.

    No more Vice President to manipulate a mindless, clueless president to venture into a needless war so the defense contractors can make billion upon billions of dollars. No more getting away with rolling missile defense systems into Eastern Europe with the singular goal of getting the Russians inot another arms race. No more steaming an aircraft carrier into the Persian Gulf hoping to incite the Iranian Republican Guard into attacking so we can go to war with Iran also.

    Whether or not canceling the F-22 is a good idea or not, I do not know. Why build it when we cannot even defeat a backwards stoneage people that live in caves in Afghanistan?

    I will tell you the people realling pushing for the F-22 and screaming at the cancellation, are the ones that have the most to lose......lose as in billions of $$$$$$$$.

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    Did you know Iraq and the Taliban don't have Air Forces.

    Hey everybody, it's Bill Maher.

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    eh 7 planes... in a fleet of ~180 F-22's is much ado about nothing...

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    dont worry australia and its allies will buy ur

    since the aussie dollar is nearly 1:1 with the US. dollar, i think its time to buy american currency and putting down the deposits for these toys....

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    eh 7 planes... in a fleet of ~180 F-22's is much ado about nothing...
    Except that amount of money in those jobs saves more jobs per million dollars than the bailout has!

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    dont worry australia and its allies will buy ur

    since the aussie dollar is nearly 1:1 with the US. dollar, i think its time to buy american currency and putting down the deposits for these toys....
    Wow...

    Maybe I should invest in some Aussie dollars before the US dollar crashes. Then when our dollar does crash buy US dollars back!

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    Forgive me if I trust the bi-partisan recommendation of our President and Sec. of Defense more than the onerous and discontented ramblings of Those Who Oppose Everything.

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    Hey everybody, it's Bill Maher.
    Really? You're complaining about someone stealing someone else's thoughts when you can't even figure out which voting lever to pull?

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    Iraq and Afghanistan aren't the only countries in the world.

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    ..Air superiority ain't all that in an occupation...

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